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CuckedCurry wrote:Clash of the gods

Sidious was only capable of dominating DE Luke through telepathy, exploiting Luke's fragile emotional state during his time under the darkside.

Except Krayt toyed with Cade, that argument has been debunked many, many times.

Being the dark counterpart on the throne of BALANCE, implies parity.

He was amped by Byss is what I meant.

Why would Krayt not be a peer of Luke exactly?

You mean the G-canon which only says Vader lost potential power, not actualized power?

Nope, starting to wonder if this forum is though.

Source them.

IU quotes are fallible, and there is no OOU quote which says Anakin is > Palpatine. No matter how much you twist it, those quotes clearly refer to potential otherwise OT Luke>ROTS Sidious.

-Star Wars Villains Collectors DVD, Narrated by Anthony Daniels wrote:”In episode 3, he will fall, and when he does, not his teacher Obi-Wan Kenobi, nor his secret wife Padme can save him. The man who was Anakin Skywalker will be extinguished, and in his place will rise the most powerful and evil Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen.”

There is however, OOU quotes saying Palpatine, Yoda, and Windu > Anakin as of Mustafar, and that when Anakin became 30 could he then beat the Emperor.

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

Not that I believe it would take Anakin 8 more years to overthrow the Emperor, but George was just making a point that Anakin couldn't beat Sidious as of ROTS, hence the previous statement of the titans being > Anakin as of Mustafar.

And you have a reason to believe he would blatantly lie because?

It was pretty clearly inferred that Sidious is the only 9 as of AOTC.

Regardless, Yoda not being able to capture Dooku (despite holding back) makes it pretty clear he isn't near his ROTS incarnation. As someone like Sidious would easily be able to subdue Dooku without a prolonged fight.

My point was the quote you pulled was C-canon as well.

Anyway the movie, which is G-canon, doesn't have them as equals. You don't 1v2 your equal+another fighter and win, you don't kill your equal in 30 seconds, you aren't "fresh as ever" after killing your equal.

Yeah but you wouldn't be running at a faster rate, which is exactly what Qui-Gon did. He was now attacking with a ferocity that "seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied".

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:did that guy answer questions like a retarded fairy on purpose or something? cuz that shit was astoundingly stupid to read.

Aren't you the same kid that tried arguing Maul isn't better than Vader because he has a speed advantage?  By that logic, Anakin isn't better than Dooku since he has a strength advantage.

You are truly mindboggling.

lmao u funny as fuck my dude. when u find a good a way to counter that, come back to me instead of wasting my time with ur trash ass insults. go grow some pubes, alright? ur gonna need them after ur balls drop.

KingKopecz wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:did that guy answer questions like a retarded fairy on purpose or something? cuz that shit was astoundingly stupid to read.

Aren't you the same kid that tried arguing Maul isn't better than Vader because he has a speed advantage?  By that logic, Anakin isn't better than Dooku since he has a strength advantage.

You are truly mindboggling.

lmao u funny as fuck my dude. when u find a good a way to counter that, come back to me instead of wasting my time with ur trash ass insults. go grow some pubes, alright? ur gonna need them after ur balls drop.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

CuckedCurry wrote:Clash of the gods

bitch where? cyber cuck over there can barely ride a bike, so chillax.

CuckedCurry wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

CuckedCurry wrote:Clash of the gods

bitch where? cyber cuck over there can barely ride a bike, so chillax.

Bro you paid $20 for an IQ test, don’t try take the moral high ground here Jew nose

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:did that guy answer questions like a retarded fairy on purpose or something? cuz that shit was astoundingly stupid to read.

Aren't you the same kid that tried arguing Maul isn't better than Vader because he has a speed advantage?  By that logic, Anakin isn't better than Dooku since he has a strength advantage.

You are truly mindboggling.

lmao u funny as fuck my dude. when u find a good a way to counter that, come back to me instead of wasting my time with ur trash ass insults. go grow some pubes, alright? ur gonna need them after ur balls drop.

you said

Sidious was only capable of dominating DE Luke through telepathy, exploiting Luke's fragile emotional state during his time under the darkside.

In what way is that passage you provided relevant to that at all, this is just Luke coming back to the light after willingly going to the dark side, I fail to see anything relating to what you said in the passage provided at all


'apprenticed himself to the emperor of his own free will'

Not really Cade still put up a great fight 

and no it doesn't imply parity at all, he was just the only Sith at the current time, like saying Darth Vectivus = 700 year old Prime Yoda because he was the raining Sith at the time 

Debatable whether that will have done anything in his young body seeing as his body was essentially maxed out with power already

for the reasons I stated above 

Bro, cmon now you cant actually be this stupid, I've shown you the scans which are as clear as any scan could possibly be ever 

so everyone is a retard but you? seems like something a retard that cant comprehend what everyone else can comprehend would say 

bro are you stupid, I just did, those are the important bits taken out of the Images you couldn't seem to fathom in my previous post 

there are 2 G-Canon quotes that say Anakin = Sheev,

the fact that Anakin has the ability to tap into a level 10,

the fact that he can outwill the will of the force,

the fact he murderstomped Dooku so quickly

and the fact the fact Sidious seems to concede inferiority to him puts him slightly above Sheev,

you are literally the one that is twisting here not me, in fact ive never seen somone try twist quotes as much as you do, never have i ever witnessed such twisting in my life, you are literally saying 'The skill and power that Anakin shows as a young man is greater than what we see in the class films, as Vader'  is referring to potential, and then have the audacity to accuse me of twisting quotes. laughable 

 'he lost the powers the emperor has' 
'he was no longer as powerful as the emperor' 

are completely different to the Luke part of the quote which is clearly talking about potential as it uses words like would, sorry just read it, it is clear as say, If there is a quote saying Eddie Hall is the worlds strongest man, that means he is the worlds strongest man, not that he has the potential to be the worlds strongest man

here is another quote affirming this

-Star Wars Villains Collectors DVD, Narrated by Anthony Daniels wrote:”In episode 3, he will fall, and when he does, not his teacher Obi-Wan Kenobi, nor his secret wife Padme can save him. The man who was Anakin Skywalker will be extinguished, and in his place will rise the most powerful and evil Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen.”

There is however, OOU quotes saying Palpatine, Yoda, and Windu > Anakin as of Mustafar, and that when Anakin became 30 could he then beat the Emperor.

nO tHeY aRe jUsT rEfEriNg tO pOtEntIaL

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."

yes but why does that preclude parity. it doesn't

No he's not, he's making a point that Anakin could've been infinitely more powerful than Sidious, but no longer can be

Didn't say he was lying, but his statements are not canonically binding at all, its like an author statement, I don't think they are just out to tell lies, but it doesn't matter anyway cos their statements aren't binding at all

Not really, Yoda declines and he's a 9 in ROTS, and what is there that suggests Dooku can be easily subdued by Sidious, they are somewhat close if anything, Dooku is not far off Sidious at all

the quotes you pulled are C, the quotes I pulled were G, but I suppose you don't care about that because you pick and choose what quotes suit you and ignore the ones that don't, and the movie doesn't preclude them matching each others strength at all

well I mean... yes you would, if you are out of breath and have a rest and then go again you are gonna be faster after the rest tan you where when you were all puffed out

CuckedCurry wrote:Cry more baby girl

Glad you mistook my cock for a 3rd leg

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:did that guy answer questions like a retarded fairy on purpose or something? cuz that shit was astoundingly stupid to read.

Aren't you the same kid that tried arguing Maul isn't better than Vader because he has a speed advantage?  By that logic, Anakin isn't better than Dooku since he has a strength advantage.

You are truly mindboggling.

lmao u funny as fuck my dude. when u find a good a way to counter that, come back to me instead of wasting my time with ur trash ass insults. go grow some pubes, alright? ur gonna need them after ur balls drop.

Damn grow some pubes, that's a good one bro, you totally got me there.

Loblob wrote: only that huge black one up ur ass. the other one, i could barely see.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:

iamthatguy wrote:

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:did that guy answer questions like a retarded fairy on purpose or something? cuz that shit was astoundingly stupid to read.

Aren't you the same kid that tried arguing Maul isn't better than Vader because he has a speed advantage?  By that logic, Anakin isn't better than Dooku since he has a strength advantage.

You are truly mindboggling.

lmao u funny as fuck my dude. when u find a good a way to counter that, come back to me instead of wasting my time with ur trash ass insults. go grow some pubes, alright? ur gonna need them after ur balls drop.

Damn grow some pubes, that's a good one bro, you totally got me there.

yeah, i noticed. otherwise u wouldve had something better than this to say to me. we done here then. gg

KingKopecz wrote:KFV = RotS Sidious
KFV "murderstomped" Dooku
But Dooku is close to Sidious?

Consistency left the chat

All of those sources are contradicted by the quote from the audio itself.

Because Krayt allowed him too?

No because Vectivus has no quotes or feats binding him to Yoda. Krayt does.

Illogical reasoning.

Appeal to ridicule.

Nope there are some smart people on this forum, just the general population on here has been brainwashed.

Also majority fallacy.

You didn't show any images of those quotes

Both of which have been disproved.

One refers to the context of Skywalker potential

the other says the Emperor has the same power Vader has, that doesn't mean that Vader has the same power Sidious has those

Quote?

Nick Gillard wrote:"There’s up to eight levels. Yoda is an eight, Mace Windu is an eight, Obi is a seven, but if you miss a level, it’s a bit like taking drugs to get enlightenment.” Anakin is the perfect example of messing with the established system. “I’ve got him down as an eight or nine, which doesn’t really exist,” says Gillard, before explaining that by turning to the Dark Side, Anakin skipped some essential steps.

You're seriously using metaphors as the basis of your argument? Lol

Ok?

Right, which is overruled by Lucas himself saying prime Anakin as of Mustafar couldn't beat Sidious.

Never said that quote is referring to potential.

iamthatguy wrote:Literally all of those quotes refer to Vader not being able to reach his full potential.

Cite them.

which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe.

he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become.

Lol.

Actor quotes are pretty much the equivalent of author quotes. What's next, you're going to tell me Sidious is actually 500 times faster than anyone else as Ian McDiarmid claimed?

Also Anakin is clearly not even close to the most evil sith lord of all time, clear hyperbole.

Referring to actualized power since it's talking about an actual fight, where actualized power is the only thing that matters. Nice try chap.

Parity is the state of being equal or near equal. Equals or near equals have a chance at beating each other. Anakin didn't have a chance to beat Sidious as of ROTS, therefore he is not on Sidious' level.

Which is exactly what I just said, except you left out the part where George specified the amount of time it would take Anakin because it clashes with your argument.

Not the same as an author statement because he directly created the scenes. The equivalent of an author statement would be an author statement.

Literally nothing suggests Yoda declines from AOTC to ROTS. In fact, that source claiming Yoda can lift less rocks or whatever actually proves Yoda improved from AOTC to ROTS, since he lifted much heavier things throughout TCW.

Dooku can be easily subdued by Sidious because Anakin was capable of it, an Anakin who cannot compete with Sidious per George Lucas.

you pulled quotes from Episode 1 Journal: Darth Maul, which is C-Canon.

No you wouldn't. Let me put it this way. If I started off a run sprinting at my max speed of 17 MPH, I won't be able to top that after a break since that's my max speed. I could reach 17 MPH again, but I wouldn't be able to top it. Jinn topped his previous strength and was able to stymy Maul, clearly insinuating an amp was active.