ROTS Dooku Vs ROTS Mace

Dooku > Mace until 19 BBY. Ant convinced me.

Dooku's age would be a deciding factor as well as Mace's skill approaching Yoda's at that point.

The skill thing isn't as huge an issue honestly. If there's any difference between Yoda, Dooku and Windu in technical skill, it's quite marginal. The fight comes down to power and augmentation. Although Dooku is potentially going to burn out relatively faster, he also has the advantage of decades more experience than Mace. Not necessarily arguing for Dooku though. I find the matchup a lot more complicated than "muh Windu ~ Yoda quotes" though.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Dooku > Mace until 19 BBY. Ant convinced me.

Dooku's age would be a deciding factor as well as Mace's skill approaching Yoda's at that point.

A shame since I totally don’t hold that POV anymore, lol.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Dooku > Mace until 19 BBY. Ant convinced me.

Dooku's age would be a deciding factor as well as Mace's skill approaching Yoda's at that point.

A shame since I totally don’t hold that POV anymore, lol.

Wut is your POV then?

Dooku sends Grievous or Asajj to clean up, he has better things to do.

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:

TheNuisanceBird wrote:Dooku > Mace until 19 BBY. Ant convinced me.

Dooku's age would be a deciding factor as well as Mace's skill approaching Yoda's at that point.

A shame since I totally don’t hold that POV anymore, lol.

Wut is your POV then?

I can't speak for @Darthant66 but I think he has Windu above Dooku in general (ROTS or not)

Also what is it with this thing about Darthant? Everyone brings him up all the time.
All this "Ant debunked this arguement" or "Ant convinced me that X would beat Y in a fight".
What's next? "Ant convinced me that Jar Jar is a sith lord and can stomp Sidious, Abeloth and Luke at the same time".
Is he the god of debating or something?

My man, big up.

Ant's decided, lock thread.

Ant debunked that Mace's dick is bigger than Dooku's.
Dooku stomps

Go

Ends in sex.

I like your style AP

BBC destroys old ass [Amateur]

Windu, solidly, though not easily.

Mace easily

@Sam are you saying Mace wins easily, or that he’s easily the winner in the mactchup?

Mace in his normal mindset can go either way. Mace fighting without Jedi restraint wins convincingly and every time.

Arguing Mace wins easily is one of the most asinine stances possible. Anyway, Windu wins yeah.

Pretty sure I already made this thread.

OT-Mace.

What arguments can be given for Mace outside of Lucas/Gillard and his Yoda accolades?

MP wrote:What arguments can be given for Mace outside of Lucas/Gillard and his Yoda accolades?

In his normal mindset he's humbled Ventress 3 months ABG with the same efficiency Dooku did to her 1-2 month ABG. He also beat Grievous in a relatively short time come RotS. Not quite as efficiently as Dooku did in his OCW spar but considering Mace went in cold without the advantage of knowing Grievous's style inside out(a major advantage he has over other Jedi who aren't used to his unorthodox methods) it evens out.

When he fights without Jedi restraint as when he did in his duel with Sidious, he's well Sidious tier. He may or may not "cut loose" just because he's facing Dooku but if he does he's screwed. If not he's still proven himself at least equal to Dooku based on his comparable performances against the same opponents.

@Kilius

In his normal mindset he's humbled Ventress 3 months ABG with the same efficiency Dooku did to her 1-2 month ABG.

I wouldn't argue needing to use all of his skills to defeat her counts as defeating her with the same efficiency as Dooku given he casually ragdolled a more powerful version of Ventress.

He also beat Grievous in a relatively short time come RotS.

Mace noted that if the saber duel had continued it would have been prolonged and decided to BFR Grievous off the car with TK. That's not the same as Dooku utterly crushing Grievous in sabers.

Not quite as efficiently as Dooku did in his OCW spar but considering Mace went in cold without the advantage of knowing Grievous's style inside out(a major advantage he has over other Jedi who aren't used to his unorthodox methods) it evens out.

Grievous and his bodyguards are also vulnerable to predictability yet Mace using the most unpredictable style possible can't beat Grievous. Also, Dooku knowing Grievous's style in and out isn't relevant. For one Grievous should also know Dooku's style quite well and secondly, the episode makes it clear that Dooku isn't abusing his knowledge of Grievous's style but rather exploiting general openings that the general gives him e.g. he mentions Grievous holding his saber too loose and then too tight, etc.

Won't bother responding to the rest but yeah I mostly agree with the fact that if Mace cuts loose Dooku definitely dies.

The Cosmic Force wrote:@Kilius

In his normal mindset he's humbled Ventress 3 months ABG with the same efficiency Dooku did to her 1-2 month ABG.

I wouldn't argue needing to use all of his skills to defeat her counts as defeating her with the same efficiency as Dooku given he casually ragdolled a more powerful version of Ventress.

He also beat Grievous in a relatively short time come RotS.

Mace noted that if the saber duel had continued it would have been prolonged and decided to BFR Grievous off the car with TK. That's not the same as Dooku utterly crushing Grievous in sabers.

Not quite as efficiently as Dooku did in his OCW spar but considering Mace went in cold without the advantage of knowing Grievous's style inside out(a major advantage he has over other Jedi who aren't used to his unorthodox methods) it evens out.

Grievous and his bodyguards are also vulnerable to predictability yet Mace using the most unpredictable style possible can't beat Grievous. Also, Dooku knowing Grievous's style in and out isn't relevant. For one Grievous should also know Dooku's style quite well and secondly, the episode makes it clear that Dooku isn't abusing his knowledge of Grievous's style but rather exploiting general openings that the general gives him e.g. he mentions Grievous holding his saber too loose and then too tight, etc.

Won't bother responding to the rest but yeah I mostly agree with the fact that if Mace cuts loose Dooku definitely dies.

1. Dooku choked her when she wasn't expecting an attack. Y:DR takes place in 19 BBY going by The Essential Readers Companion and Season 4 Ventress gave Dooku a decent fight in 21 BBY and she's at best equal in power to Y:DR Ventress. Dooku choking her with her guard down isn't any different than Sidious choking Dooku across the galaxy with his guard down and most don't think Sidious can casually dismiss him when prepared.
2. DMB debunked the quote a long time ago. Mace had her conceding defeat in just a few panels when he clearly stated his intentions to take her alive, which seriously calls into question he was seriously pressed into going all out.
3. In OCW Dooku beat him with little difficulty in a spar. In the same medium Mace one shot him when the General was in a battle ready stance. In LoE Dooku admitted Grievous hardpressed him at times in the their spars and in the same novel Mace beat him with moderate difficulty in short period of time. Across both mediums they both had either moderate or little difficulty. Either way their performances were comparable in each respective source.
4. Dooku knows everything about Grievous but Grievous doesn't know everything about Dooku. It's stated in LoE that Dooku kept some secrets to himself 'just in case' and despite this he's still challenged by him occasionally. It's one of those "I taught you everything you know but not everything I know" situations, absolutely one-sided in Dooku's favor.

I'll respond tomorrow.