ROTS Dooku Vs ROTS Mace

Thrawn wrote:I don't have a strong opinion on this one, but I'd personally lean Dooku.

He's got a slight edge in skill, certainly mastery, and probably power as well. All 3 are negligible though.

He's also very familiar with Mace. They were friends for years, Dooku specifically trains to combat Lightsaber duelists, which includes Mace and Yoda. You know Dooku and Mace have dueled many times.

Prior to Dooku leaving the Jedi Order, he was the #2 guy behind Yoda. Mace was #3.

Mace being stated to be one of the only Jedi to be "able to contend" with Sidious means he's top tier and doesn't instantly die when fighting Sidious. Same is true for Yoda, Anakin, Dooku, and Mace.
 
Dooku wouldn't have done as well as Mace against Sidious, but he also wouldn't have instantly died like Plo Koon and company. Keep in mind Dooku was considered one of the greatest Jedi ever in the order.

This is a case where Sam Jackson asked for a good death and George Lucas wrote a scene where Palpatine uses Mace as a tool to turn Anakin.

That fight has specific circumstances to it. Palpatine knows Mace is the most dangerous the 4, yet he kills the other three first instead of killing Mace first. Why? It's obvious Sidious knows Anakin is coming back and he knows Mace and Anakin's history of bad blood.

The Mace/Palpatine duel was written with a lot going on under the surface. The only definitive thing in the fight is that Mace legit disarms Palpatine, and we know Mace was never leaving that office alive whether Anakin showed up or not once Palpatine resorts to the Force; Palpatine is simply too powerful for Windu. The Prophecy says only the Chosen One can destroy the Sith and that means Anakin has to be the one to defeat Palpatine.

Mace's performance against Sidious is very specific and doesn't translate to other duels. Mace vs Mother Talzin is a good example. She was more than holding her own against Mace with her sword and her power.


I think Mace vs Dooku is a 50/50 type situation. I think either answer is acceptable.

In the night, the shadow felt the boy's anguish, and it was good. The shadow felt the grim determination of four Jedi Masters approaching by air. This, too, was good.

Mace disengaged from the shadow's blade and leapt for the window; he slashed away the transparisteel with a single flourish.

His instant's distraction cost him: a dark surge of the Force nearly blew him right out of the gap he had just cut. Only a desperate Force-push of his own altered his path enough that he slammed into a stanchion instead of plunging half a kilometer from the ledge outside. He bounced off and the Force cleared his head and once again he gave himself to Vaapad.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he angled the battle to bring them both out onto the window ledge.

Out in the wind. Out with the lightning. Out on a rain-slicked ledge above a half-kilometer drop.

Out where the shadow's fear made it hesitate. Out where the shadow's fear turned some of its Force-powered speed into a Force-powered grip on the slippery permacrete.

Out where Mace could flick his blade in one precise arc and slash the shadow's lightsaber in half.

"Fool!" His voice was a shout of thunder. "Do you think the fear you feel is mine?"

felt his approach behind-And Palpatine was not afraid. Mace could feel it: he wasn't worried at all

Before Mace realizes what has happened, Kolar, Tiin, and Fisto have fallen to Sidious's blade.

--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

Sjuttiosju wrote:Dooku already beat him without effort in the highest form of SW canon.

CuckedCurry wrote:Mace

Star Wars: Episode III Commemorative Collection wrote:Nearly equal in power and respect to the great Jedi Master Yoda, Mace Windu was a longtime member of the Jedi Council, and one of its staunchest supporters.

Revenge of the Sith Novelisation wrote:This is the moment that defines Mace Windu.

Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his unmatched skills with the lightsaber. Not his dedication to the Jedi Order, or his devotion to the Republic that he serves.

Meatpants wrote:Mace. I recommend anyone interested to read through this ongoing debate, where I outline why Mace is > Dooku, and gives an essential overview of Mace's power and skill.

For a crash course:

1. Mace Windu is "almost/nearly" as powerful as Master Yoda:

Star Wars: Episode III Commemorative Collection wrote:Nearly equal in power and respect to the great Jedi Master Yoda, Mace Windu was a longtime member of the Jedi Council, and one of its staunchest supporters.

2. He's "unmatched" in his skill with the lightsaber, even more so than Palpatine or Yoda:

Revenge of the Sith Novelisation wrote:This is the moment that defines Mace Windu.

Not his countless victories in battle, nor the numberless battles his diplomacy has avoided. Not his penetrating intellect, or his talents with the Force, or his unmatched skills with the lightsaber. Not his dedication to the Jedi Order, or his devotion to the Republic that he serves.

3. Mace and Yoda are the only Jedi to have surpassed Count Dooku as swordsmen:



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