ROTS Sidious vs ROTS Dooku & SOD Maul

Who wins?

hmm, dooku is no savage, and SOD maul > the maul that fought sidious before (not the angered one, of course). i can see the duo beating him in a duel, if it comes down to it. i mean, dooku by himself has the skill and experience that surpass both maul and sheev together by far lol 

can maul be in his angered state? or nah? as for dooku, can he use any sort of jedi like focus? like obi wan or luke use?

Palpatine, no question at all

LOTL wrote:Palpatine, no question at all

he literally wrote the question "who wins?"... smh

Palpatine, decent to good fight. Neither of the team are a match for him, but together they can pose a relatively significant threat.

Sheev Palpatine in a quick fight.

The team can take him.

Dooku+Fodder isn't enough

Sidious wins but he'll need to work for that.

If you have Maul around Ventress’s level the team loses. If you have both apprentices around the same they should be collectively more powerful.

sids still

It's definitely close if the team works together. 

I'd still give it to Sidious but he'd have to try.

There is no way the team has even the slightest chance

Palpatine is too strong.




So that tells us something.

Palpatine views the Count pretty much in contempt( when compared to him) and the relation between them generally is a lot like the relation between Vader and Palpatine. When you combine the fact that Palpatine's mastery of the force manifested in generic power abilities like sense is so advanced that it generally is an enigma to him, along with the fact that Palpatine is more powerful than a version of Anakin that pretty much won effortlessly against the Count, then it becomes very much evident that Palpatine is a class apart from his apprentice( both in the generic sense, and literally, the Count is a tier 8, while Palpatine is a tier 9, with an "enormous" gap) pretty clearly. That is not even counting the fact that force choking him from light years away, pretty much effortlessly for a pretty huge amount of time has to be one of the most blatant feats of victory through raw force application on another force user among the entirety of the lore. Per intent. I get that one can make the argument that the Count didn't have a force barrier on, or other arguments to mitigate the feat, which are perfectly fine. The truth though really is that if these arguments weren't legit then there would be a pretty astronomical gap in power between them( which isn't the case), hence, because of the sheer amount of time involved( probably the longest time anyone has been in a choke hold in the lore) along with the fact that it was across the galaxy, really put the gap between them into perspective. It is pretty clear that the intent of the scene is that Palpatine is a class apart from his apprentice when it comes to force power. Moreover, when you put all of that into a proper perspective, one need not even make a purely technical case for Palpatine here, intent alone is pretty much enough. You can look at other factors too, one of them being Mace. He is at least, an equal to the Count 6 months before ROTS yet, in ROTS Obi Wan notes that his inner darkness has increased hugely. Along with that, the emotional factor which might have given a small increase in power to him, which might make this version of Mace significantly superior to the Mace 6 months before. Yet, at his very best, he could match Palpatine in lightsaber combat, and even then, was noticeably inferior to him in power. 

The gap between Palpatine and Maul is pretty clear. A month or so of power growth on Maul's part is probably not enough to mitigate a year's worth of growth on the part of Palpatine, especially considering what happens in ROTS that makes him even stronger than before. They are not going to get effortlessly beaten, and they will be a challenge to Palpatine, especially in lightsaber combat, but in reality, they do not have anything that actually gives them a chance here. Palpatine could merely spam lightning( that was strong enough to throw Yoda's lightsaber from his hands and overpower his normal barrier, and even when toying was powerful enough to really push Mace to his limits in the office) and they wouldn't have a chance. His confusion haze can easily give him an early advantage, along with his immense strength. He has every advantage in the fight, be it raw power, or mastery of arcane techniques along with proven effectiveness in battle or even lightsaber combat, where he is great enough to stalemate a much improved version of Mace than the one who is equal to the Count( which is arguable), along with beating 3 tier 7 Masters while putting pressure on Mace to retreat. The most that can be put in favor of the team is that they will engage in a prolonged battle and can challenge him in that aspect of combat.

Palpatine stomps.