Revan vs Darth Maul

IG (Exists) wrote:37 BBY Sidious had barely tapped into their reserves, and I do believe they could’ve collapsed the barracks.

Again, "reserves" in this context was stamina. Maul ran out of stamina, Sidious had barely tapped into his. This was because Maul was already extremely injured before the fight.

@ Revan supporters: KOTOR Revan's feats in and of themselves are not necessarily better than Maul's feats. You have to explain why they're better and why they're likely beyond Maul. Just listing off feats and scaling chains isn't going to convince anyone.

^ I'm completely open to Revan being > Maul at this time, but I need arguments why. Az, ILS, etc. are bringing up some pretty solid points to defend Maul whereas I'm not seeing much from the Revan camp.

not revan's feats but kun's feats in which he scales off of significantly and are better than all of mauls showings

But why does he scale off Kun? Why are Kun's feats better?

mr dinky wrote:not revan's feats but kun's feats in which he scales off of significantly and are better than all of mauls showings

I recommend then posting and explaining the Kun feats that you think outstrip anything Maul's shown.

Well, Malak’s own feat of throwing a person miles is pretty impressive, Kun’s derriphan thing as well impressed me (I know he was amped by Yavin, but still).

IIRC, early TCW Mace has a feat very similar to Malak's.

BoD wrote:IIRC, early TCW Mace has a feat very similar to Malak's.

Which one? Literally right before ROTS, Mace isn't capable of TKing a train, and Malak scales vastly above Tulak Hord pulling a 300 meter ship out of the sky.

Actually Saesee Tiin threw a battle droid four kilometres. The Tulak Hord feat is from Khem Val, who is an unreliable source. Also going to have to check the wording for that train feat.

How is Khem Val unreliable? He isn’t saying Hord > other people, just that he did it. There’s no unreliability here. Mace literally claims they’d need Yoda to stop the train “perhaps 5 yodas”.

Khem Val has also acted like all Sith, including the likes of Vitiate, are < Tulak Hord. He constantly belittles Nox and acts like Hord was a god in comparison, which he's not. Even if the feat were true, we have no idea of the context.

Mace literally claims they’d need Yoda to stop the train “perhaps 5 yodas”.

So what you're saying is that Mace is < ~5 Yodas. What is this proof of?

Again, Tiin has outperformed Malak's feat.

What? No, I’m saying that Mace claims the Train TK feat is beyond him (d other council members), and that Yoda himself couldn’t do it. Khem’s reliability in regards to hord’s power comparatively is different from his reliability on subjective matters. It is completely objective whether Hord pulled it out of the sky or not, and he have a source saying he did.

You can scale Maul off Starkiller's environmental feats regardless, so I don't find Tulak's ship feat to be particularly noteworthy.

What? No, I’m saying that Mace claims the Train TK feat is beyond him (d other council members), and that Yoda himself couldn’t do it

So it's a meaningless measurement, unless you're arguing Malak or Hord > Yoda. Mace is also notoriously unreliable as a narrator.

Khem’s reliability in regards to hord’s power comparatively is different from his reliability on subjective matters.

Someone who begins their claim (a claim with no basis) with "the great" usually isn't the most literal and trustworthy source.

and he have a source saying he did.

Then you should provide it.

*we have a source, and said source is Khem. It doesn’t matter if he wanks Hord, it’s an objective fact if Hord pulled it out. Of course I’m not claiming mace is right about Yoda, but he knows that he cannot do it.

IG (Exists) wrote:Well, Malak’s own feat of throwing a person miles is pretty impressive, Kun’s derriphan thing as well impressed me (I know he was amped by Yavin, but still).

That's not impressive at all. And the guy wasn't thrown "miles" as far as I'm aware.

Kun lifting the Corsair may not even have been done through TK, and even if it was, we have no idea of the amount of effort it took. He could have been sitting in deep meditation for hours to get it above the planet's surface. And as you mention, he was amped by Yavin's nexus regardless.

Nothing you've mentioned remotely proves Kun, Malak, or Revan can collapse a massive barracks.

Maul thinking that he can collapse massive barracks isn’t proof that Maul can collapse massive barracks

Azronger wrote:

IG (Exists) wrote:Well, Malak’s own feat of throwing a person miles is pretty impressive, Kun’s derriphan thing as well impressed me (I know he was amped by Yavin, but still).

That's not impressive at all. And the guy wasn't thrown "miles" as far as I'm aware.

Kun lifting the Corsair may not even have been done through TK, and even if it was, we have no idea of the amount of effort it took. He could have been sitting in deep meditation for hours to get it above the planet's surface. And as you mention, he was amped by Yavin's nexus regardless.

Nothing you've mentioned remotely proves Kun, Malak, or Revan can collapse a massive barracks.

I mean, you technically can scale Revan off of Nihilus' Ravager feat, but nonetheless it doesn't matter. TK to TP is a stupid comparison, and most of the feats I put far beyond Maul are TP.

*we have a source, and said source is Khem. It doesn’t matter if he wanks Hord, it’s an objective fact if Hord pulled it out.

Of course it matters. We have no knowledge or context of the feat. A clone was once told Vader ragdolled two huge ships and threw them into each other. We have no context behind that, so should we take that literally?

Of course I’m not claiming mace is right about Yoda, but he knows that he cannot do it.

Mace also thought:


He can't beat Kar Vastor.
Vastor was ~ Yoda or Anakin.
Depa Billaba was a better duelist than him.
Yoda was >>> him in every respect.


He is not a trustworthy source. He is far too humble about his own abilities. 

IG (Exists) wrote:

BoD wrote:IIRC, early TCW Mace has a feat very similar to Malak's.

Which one? Literally right before ROTS, Mace isn't capable of TKing a train, and Malak scales vastly above Tulak Hord pulling a 300 meter ship out of the sky.

Same thing with Hord's feat: we have no context to where it took place, how much effort was involved, whether was the vehicle already falling like many say to mitigate Galen's ISD feat or whether the ship was rising and Hord overpowered the engines, etc.

This doesn't prove anything.

Exactly. As I said:

A clone was once told Vader ragdolled two huge ships and threw them into each other. We have no context behind that, so should we take that literally?

@BoD We don't need context for it, it's pretty simple. The clone saying that Vader ragdolled two ships wasn't necessarily there when said event (or lack of said event) took place. It's fairly obvious what Khem is saying here. 

Mace claims that he, along with several other council members could not do it. I don't care how much he underestimates himself, but a feat such as that (especially given cross-era scaling via superiority) shouldn't be vastly beyond him (and a host of others) if he's as high as you've claimed (> KFV).