Revan vs Darth Maul

Revan as of KotOR

Maul as of TPM

Give reasons, I am not interested in one word answers (ironic IK).

Kek

KingofBlades wrote:Kek

Was that your attempt at being funny?

Revan kicks his ass, tbh.

Maul. Revan hasn’t accomplished anything at this point that Maul honestly couldn’t replicate and his showings in the Revan novel are very, very underwhelming. Fairly contentious fight though as Maul himself is packing some poor showings. More poor than positive, to be honest.

Revan stomps vi the Malak and Exile scaling.

All that ‘scaling’ and he can’t even shield himself from the after-effects of some grenades, Force push a royal guard or beat a Vitiate that’s barely paying attention to the physical combat.

Maul, good fight.

Revan.

Maks Leem wrote:All that ‘scaling’ and he can’t even shield himself from the after-effects of some grenades, Force push a royal guard or beat a Vitiate that’s barely paying attention to the physical combat.

What do you mean?

Since when do we take low showings as a proxy for their actual normal power kek.

revan destroys him tbh

KingofBlades wrote:Since when do we take low showings as a proxy for their actual normal power kek.

Not low showings, he’s consistently poor in a novel that is written by a guy known for heavily wanking his own characters.

Yet he still defeated Darth Malak after defeating Bastila Shan. Darth Malak who basically fodderises the Dark Jedi Exiles whom are favorably comparable to (an admittedly massively pre-prime) Darth Vader.

So care to tell me how your blatant lowballing stands up to that?

It’s not bastarding lowballing if that’s what the source material provides us with. If Revan can accomplish those feats then so can Maul, don’t hit me up with that bias nonsense

LadyKulvax wrote:Yet he still defeated Darth Malak after defeating Bastila Shan. Darth Malak who basically fodderises the Dark Jedi Exiles whom are favorably comparable to (an admittedly massively pre-prime) Darth Vader.

So care to tell me how your blatant lowballing stands up to that?

Lol, they are not comparable to Vader.

Vader himself literally rejects the power of the talisman on the basis that he'd be enslaved by its power. Its power is literally Muur himself encased within. He is most definitely comparablr to this incarnation of Vader. As much as others would like to portray this as something it isn't, it is true.

Don't even get me started on XoXaan ~ Krayt ~ Obi-Wan Kenobi comparability.

xoxaan isnt weak, but ok lol any one of the exiles was put in higher regard than the previous, and strongest sith around. they were treated as Sheev. honestly, that could mean that any one of the exiles was stronger than naga sadow, if we go by hype.

Vader himself literally rejects the power of the talisman on the basis that he'd be enslaved by its power. Its power is literally Muur himself encased within. He is most definitely comparablr to this incarnation of Vader. As much as others would like to portray this as something it isn't, it is true.

He rejects the talisman because it has a spirit inside of it that might take control of him, not because Muur is around his power level when he's clearly not. Vader also has never dealt with possession or Sith spirits up to this point, so he has no idea what to expect. That's not even to mention that his feats absolutely blow Muur's pitiful scaling and own feats out of the water.

Don't even get me started on XoXaan ~ Krayt ~ Obi-Wan Kenobi comparability.

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:xoxaan isnt weak, but ok lol any one of the exiles was put in higher regard than the previous, and strongest sith around. they were treated as Sheev. honestly, that could mean that any one of the exiles was stronger than naga sadow, if we go by hype.

If I went back to Medieval times and used a lighter to create a flame, chances are that'd be revered as magic. Same goes for if I had a phone and used it. Having something completely foreign that means you're worshipped as a g o d (@Azronger did you actually substitute "Sheev" and "g o d"? Lmao) doesn't mean you objectively have Sheev power. It means compared to the people around you, you're so far beyond them (not saying much, considering how primitive the Sith were at the time).

actually, they werent that primitive in the force at all. I think graush, one of the ancient sith from back, had more advanced alchemy/sorcery than what sheev could work with, at one point. he was around before them. hell, i think THEY are the ones that killed graush in the first place. 

and its explicitly stated that their power made them seem like Sheev, and not their looks. as for a sword of fire, im quite that ajunta pall stole graush's sith sword, and used that one instead lol so yeah, they were in fact far above people with the hype of naga sadow himself. whether they were also stronger than him doesnt matter- my point is that they were strong as kriff.

Muur's spirit is literally the thing that'd be controlling him. So in what way are you arguing against me here? You realise it is established as early as Dark Empire that a spirit possessing a host, I.E. taking over the host's mind, is nearly impossible and that only a truly massive gap in willpower is sufficient to allow it to work?

And no, Vader doesn't dwarf Muur's feats. Lmao. Muur taking out Krayt, Cade, Maladi and a bunch of others with a single Force Maelstrom is pretty much as impressive as anything Vader ever did. As much as pro-Krayt debaters like to lowball literally everything Muur does in the comics, he's holistically and demonstratably portrayed as his equal if not superior.

Everybody seems to like to forget that the talisman was literally a trap by Sorzus Syn meant to contain his power permanently. So literally any exertion of his power from within the amulet is being restrained to a certain degree. Yet all of the 'Krayt is dying' excuses under the sun are made for him.

And yes, Sith Apprentice Krayt should be far more powerful than his A'sharad Hett incarnation given he perfected his power over a career of bounty hunting between those two events. Given Krayt accepts Xoxaan as his master and stays under her teaching for decades, then she was clearly powerful enough to impress him and cause him to grow so much more powerful over all that time until he surpassed her. But that still pretty much puts her well beyond him as Hett and throughout his apprenticeship. I mean Krayt himself continues praising her power well afterwards and she clearly earned his respect.

So yes there's a blatant degree of parity there up until he leaves her. Yet continues to seek her guidance well after the fact. The idea she's far weaker than him makes no sense given there'd be no damn need of her if she was nothing compared to him.

The Dark Jedi Exiles are clearly very respectable by this era's standards.

Revan ragdolls. Mando War Revan would be a much closer fight, albeit being solidly in Revan’s favor. While Maul should hold an advantage in combative skill between his mastery of Teras Kasi & superior skill accolades, he shouldn’t be massively superior. Revan had so thoroughly learned everything the Jedi of his era has to offer that he had nothing left to learn, this including lightsaber techniques & such, he can at least compete in a melee. Beyond that Maul is entirely outshone, Revan manipulates the entire planetary nexus of Malachor V (among the strongest DS nexus’ in the galaxy) to influence the battle above during the final confrontation of the war, while simultaneously corrupting Jedi under his command to the Dark Side even as the battle raged. Maul hasn’t demonstrated an expression of the Force on this scale in any capacity, and doesn’t scale to anyone who has. Even if the argument can be made that Maul is a peer or superior of MW Revan, Malak’s scaling sits him well above Maul, from his being stated “far” more powerful than Exar Kun to his Starforge scaling, which consists of the Exiles being driven mad by the power of the Korriban Star Map & the entire Rakata species being drained of their midichlorians by the Star Forge while Malak dominated it so completely that he developed a symbiotic relationship with it which allowed the Forge to operate at greater capacity than normal & him gaining immense power from the Forge itself. Prodigals Knight Revan is well above Malak, there’s no argument for Maul winning a single round out of ten as far as I’m concerned.

Malak is not far more powerful than Exar Kun, that quote is a limited-perspective description from an article subject to gameplay stats.

Do you honestly think Kun > Malak?