SS - Darth Traya (MasterCilghal) vs Jaina Solo (Xolthol)

• Darth Traya as of Knights of the Old Republic II, but before losing her arm, backed by @MasterCilghal.
  
• Jaina Solo as of Fate of the Jedi - Apocalypse, backed by @Xolthol.
  

DC77 wrote:TAEP, should be interdasking.

xolthol wrote:@DarthAnt66: Thanks for making the thread.
@mastercilghal: do you want to open the fight? 

xolthol wrote:@mastercilghal: It's ok you can begin.

xolthol wrote:@mastercilghal: when will you release your opener ?

 A) accolades: Although Traya’s true strength lies in her feats, she has a good number of decent accolades, both in regards to her power and skill. In this analysis, I’m gonna bring up one of, if not the most interesting of Kreia’s accolades, taken directly from the complete Star Wars encyclopedia:  

"The archives here are restricted to those who have attained the rank of Master. We must protect overeager Padawans from being exposed to dangerous knowledge. The pursuit of knowledge is a noble goal, but there are some things that require the wisdom of a Master to truly understand."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic

Deep within the Jedi Enclave Sublevel lies an archive of knowledge that few have seen.
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game guide

Within its Trayus Academy, she encounters assassins left by Darth Revan, but instead of attacking, they present her with Sith hermetica. "The truth of the cosmos", these writings intimated, "are not intended for the sane." Intrigued, Kreia scours the texts through the Force, suspecting their authors were in fact pureblood descendants of the Sith people.
Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Korriban holds few secrets from me... but much that you should learn."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
These holocrons hold much of the Sith... and they hold much of my teachings, from long ago."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

"Kreia is setting the stage for what we imagined KOTOR3 to be, and as we had a sense for the power that we wanted those Sith Lords to reveal, her predictions are accurate. And yes, she had a number of Sith holocrons that she had read (the ones on Telos)."

Kavar isn't as much of a lightsaber virtuoso as the other Jedi masters you've met, but he makes up for this with his extremely potent Force powers.

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide

"Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic

"Regardless.... it had to be done. To have such powerful Jedi still live, still be felt in the Force even on dead worlds as they had chosen, was a threat that had to be ended."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

And she was said to be... a skilled warrior. Beautiful. And strong in the Force."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Meanwhile, Sith survivors wage civil war, culling the weak and electing leadership by the lightsaber's blade.

Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

• First of all, the amount of knowledge Kreia possesses, in regards to force techniques far exceeds Jaina’s own. Even the most knowledgeable jedi in the NJO, Tionne Solusar, noted how much knowledge and holocrons had been lost after the galactic civil war:
  

• Furthermore, the primary reason for why Jaina trained with the mandalorians was her total lack of knowledge of the force techniques Caedus could employ against her in their upcoming confrontation. This means Kreia has access to a far greater repertoire of unorthodox force techniques, many of whom can be applied combatively. Telepathic attacks like force fear can be used to off-balance Jaina, while force drain ( against which Jaina has no defense) can be used to weaken her, in a similar way to how Krayt used the technique against Abeloth and Luke Skywalker ( link). 
  
• Kreia, while maybe not Jaina’s equal with the lightsaber, is still a capable opponent and can compensate by employing techniques such as trakata to off-balance Jaina. 
  
  
  
• Her telekinetic feats and scaling are just...better. Jaina was clearly inferior to a massively weakened Caedus during their final duel (link) has had difficulty with the featless (at least in this area) Alema Rar and her best telekinetic feat in her prime was sending parts of a collapses wall flying in backlash and force pushing sith sabers, so nothing points to a massive power growth between LOTF and FOTJ and It’s not that great in comparison to what Traya has done (which will be explored further in subsequent posts). In fact, Jaina herself conceded inferiority to the Jedi masters on the council and even some jedi knights in invincible, opponents Kreia would ragdoll with contemptuous ease. 
  

xolthol wrote:@mastercilghal: This seems good... I didn't know when answering but will try asap.

xolthol wrote:@mastercilghal: I will try to post my response in next two days. Sorry for the time that I take (I'm really busy IRL).

Top dog of the Jedi Order

Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse wrote:Jaina Solo, who, as Sword of the Jedi, had proven time and again that she was the combat equal of anyone in the Order.

She [Jaina Solo] had thought she had a fair understanding of his Force abilities, but if his flying was any example, he hadn't revealed half of what he could do. Maybe not even a quarter.

Legacy of the Force: Inferno

...what might Luke Skywalker, the most famous, most powerful, and most experienced living Jedi, do...

Fate of the Jedi: Outcast

"Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said.

Fate of the Jedi: Vortex

A brief scaling

Khedryn Faal wrote:"They combined Jedi DNA with something else and grew it into clones. Dangerous clones."

Star Wars: Crosscurrent

Runner made a sweeping gesture with one hand, and the Weequay's speeder looked as if it had been hit broadside with an enormous wave. It teetered on its side and slid across the street, onto the sidewalk, crushing several pedestrians, and into an adjacent building. Metal shrieked and bent. Glass shattered. The building half-collapsed with an angry rumble.

Star Wars: Riptide

He(Soldier) was different from the others. They knew it and he knew it. He was the best of them, the final specimen created by the doctors

Star Wars: Riptide

"On the stairway above him and to his left, Jaden saw the clone he had dazed rise to his feet and shake his head, growling. His angry eyes fixed on Jaden. He gestured with both hands, and sent a burst of power at the Jedi.

Jaden held out his left hand—his maimed hand—at the last moment, intercepted the blast, and answered with his own power. The clone’s push caused him to stagger, but he nested himself in the Force and stood his ground against both clones. He held his hands out, the clones’ power pressing at him from right angles. The yellow line of his lightsaber, which he still held in his left had, sizzled before his eyes. The effort squeezed sweat from him, taxed mind and body. He took a step back, another, and found himself pressed against the wall. He could not hold out for long.
[...]
As one, the two male clones took a step toward Jaden, their power pressing against him. He fell to one knee, grunting against their onslaught, barely holding on.

They took another step and he fell to both knees.

The larger of the two grinned. Jaden recognized him now, behind the beard and hair. He was a clone of Jaden’s Master, Kyle Katarn. Anger poured off both clones, anger born of years of frustration and mistreatment. It hit Jaden like a hailstorm. His elbows bent. He was failing, failing.

But he refused to give in.

He grunted, summoned a reserve of strength, extended his arms fully, pushed back against the clones, stood up, and held his ground.

“I won’t let you pass,” he grunted. “I can’t.”

Star Wars: Riptide

1. The sum of the power of the clone is less than the power of their sum (basically what we call constructive addition : 1 + 1 > 2). This is explain here:
   

   He stared at his fingers in wonder, grinning. The emotions of the other clones reached through their community's shared empathic connection and bombarded him with feeling. He felt their glee, their ecstasy, their anger. His emotions fed on theirs, and theirs on his, a never-ending feedback loop, an ouroboros of emotional energy that made him feel as if he were boiling inside, filling with emotional steam
   
   Star Wars: Riptide
   

   
   
2. The blast that Jaden resist is just way bigger than the one throw by Runner, this is a continuous TK strike and a under lots of intense emotions : Anger poured off both clones, anger born of years of frustration and mistreatment. It hit Jaden like a hailstorm.
   

Boba fighting Vader:

Power of Traya ?

• Slaughtering three jedi masters with some random quotes... Not really impressive and absolutely not relevant when comparing to Jaden feat.
  
• Having some quotes for her... every characters which are at least a bit important have one or two
  
• being defeated by a far from prime Nihilius... not a feat at all. She only survive because Nihilius didn't consider her as a threat.
  

A combative failure versus an accomplish fighter

"Although Traya was more powerful, the Exile managed to defeat her in combat."

Kotor Campaign Guide

"There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface—drowns them in the power of the dark side. It corrupts all life, and it feeds on death."

Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2

The nexus of Trayus Academy, the core is a clawlike altar built over a colossal geyser of dark side energy. It is here that you face your ultimate battle and fulfill your destiny"

The Prima Official Game Guide

"Trayus Academy is the home of those Jedi who have succumbed the to dark side taint of Malachor V. To reach the structure's core, where Darth Sion and Kreia await, you must face a legion of elite Sith single-handedly. Skills and subtlety may have served you well previously, but here there is no substitute for raw destructive power, whether through combat feats or Force attacks. Only by fighting your way through the Sith's strongest guardians can you earn the right to confront your nemesis."

The KOTOR 2 Prima Official Game Guide

"Constant battles with numerous Sith assassins are the rule here"

The KOTOR 2 Prima Official Game Guide

"These surreptitious butchers specialize in practical modes of Jedi execution."

"The most elite of these assassins are the Bladeborn - Sith blademasters"

The Kotor Campaign Guide

CONCLUSION

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