Exar Kun runs a PT gauntlet

Loses to 6.

Loses to 5

I'm going with the JA Kun >> TotJ Kun idea to reconcile things.

KingofBlades wrote:5.RotS Obi Wan

I don't think TotJ Kun can overcome the Kenobi we see on Mustafar. That Kenobi is matching blows with a tier 9 combatant, while TotJ Kun scales massively below likely tier 9 combatants, and none of his sorcery seems to be potent enough to make a difference.

A hypothetical full-power JA Kun would probably win though, as there's reason to think that he'd be a rival of some incarnation of Palpatine.

8.LS RotS Anakin
9. Zonakin
10.RotS Windu
11.RotS Yoda
12.RotS Sidious
13.KF Vader

I'd say a full power JA Kun probably stops somewhere here.

@KingofBlades

I'd probably rank them like this:

1. AotC Kenobi
2. Cin Drallig
3. Kit Fisto
4. Qui Gon Jinn
5. RotS Obi Wan
6. RotS Dooku
7. RotS Windu
8. LS RotS Anakin
9. MFV
10. RotS Yoda
11. RotS Sidious
12. Zonakin
13. KF Vader

NotAA3 wrote:@KingofBlades

I'd probably rank them like this:

1. AotC Kenobi
2. Cin Drallig
3. Kit Fisto
4. Qui Gon Jinn
5. RotS Obi Wan
6. RotS Dooku
7. RotS Windu
8. LS RotS Anakin
9. MFV
10. RotS Yoda
11. RotS Sidious
12. Zonakin
13. KF Vader

Lmfao

What's so funny?

@NotAA3 ROTS Mace should definitely not be below ROTS Anakin, and if it's peak Mace he should be < MFV as well. I'm also surprised you put ROTS Anakin above Dooku.

ROTS Anakin was pummeling Dooku even before Anakin gave into his hate, so ROTS Anakin > Dooku is pretty fair imo.

@BreakofDawn

ROTS Mace should definitely not be below ROTS Anakin, and if it's peak Mace he should be < MFV as well.

Why?

I'm also surprised you put ROTS Anakin above Dooku.

Anakin is GIGAPOWER.

NotAA3 wrote:@BreakofDawn

ROTS Mace should definitely not be below ROTS Anakin, and if it's peak Mace he should be < MFV as well.

Why?

I'm also surprised you put ROTS Anakin above Dooku.

Anakin is GIGAPOWER.

Mace over the course of ROTS grew in power as his darkness (AKA his main source of power) grew. By the start of ROTS Mace is at least Dooku level if not higher, which automatically puts him above base ROTS Anakin.

The Ellimist wrote:I'm going with the JA Kun >> TotJ Kun idea to reconcile things.

Except this is flatly canonically incorrect. TOTJ Kun was confirmed by OOU sources and the author to be more powerful. This is common sense.

Kun scales above planetary tier Force shielding and sector tier drain. What does Dooku have that compares?

BreakofDawn wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:@BreakofDawn

ROTS Mace should definitely not be below ROTS Anakin, and if it's peak Mace he should be < MFV as well.

Why?

I'm also surprised you put ROTS Anakin above Dooku.

Anakin is GIGAPOWER.

Mace over the course of ROTS grew in power as his darkness (AKA his main source of power) grew. By the start of ROTS Mace is at least Dooku level if not higher, which automatically puts him above base ROTS Anakin.

The novel shows that until Dooku used dun moch base Anakin was winning the fight.

KingofBlades wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:@BreakofDawn

ROTS Mace should definitely not be below ROTS Anakin, and if it's peak Mace he should be < MFV as well.

Why?

I'm also surprised you put ROTS Anakin above Dooku.

Anakin is GIGAPOWER.

Mace over the course of ROTS grew in power as his darkness (AKA his main source of power) grew. By the start of ROTS Mace is at least Dooku level if not higher, which automatically puts him above base ROTS Anakin.

The novel shows that until Dooku used dun moch base Anakin was winning the fight.

Will get back to you on this tomorrow. Got work in the morning.

LadyKulvax wrote:

The Ellimist wrote:I'm going with the JA Kun >> TotJ Kun idea to reconcile things.

Except this is flatly canonically incorrect. TOTJ Kun was confirmed by OOU sources and the author to be more powerful. This is common sense.

What OOU sources?

If that's so, then I guess JA Kun is trash too then, lmao. This would've been your way out.

That's absolutely not how it works, lmfao. Not that I need 'a way out', as I've been proving. 

I'm in the middle of my new respect thread for him, but these are all of the sources on the matter I can find without searching in-depth:

The Jedi Academy Sourcebook wrote:A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy.

Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force wrote:Exar Kun corrupted Luke’s most powerful student, Kyp Durron, and attempted to resurrect himself by draining power from Luke and the other trainees.

Veitch’s Christmas emails are the most canonical source.

Not as epic as Nick Gillard telling me to bugger off so he could ski in Austria lol

Basileus wrote:Not as epic as Nick Gillard telling me to bugger off so he could ski in Austria lol

You serious?

Yeah bro

How'd that happen lmao

Because he kept prodding him about Jinn and the tier system

CuckedGillard

Gillard is weakness

LadyKulvax wrote:quote="The Jedi Academy Sourcebook"]A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy.

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Exar Kun at that time also said that Luke was too powerful for him to handle.

Jedi VS. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force wrote:Exar Kun corrupted Luke’s most powerful student, Kyp Durron, and attempted to resurrect himself by draining power from Luke and the other trainees.

What does this have to do with anything?

What does this have to do with anything? The argument is that full-body JA Kun would've been far more powerful than full-body TotJ Kun.

Sending (if I can be blunt - unbearably cringeworthy) emails to authors does not actually constitute published source material that goes through an editorial process. You don't seem to want to accept Avellone's claim that Vader > Nihilus, and you don't want to accept the repudiation of your cinematic filters question, funnily enough. You keep ignoring the fact that an author noted (as many have) that their offhanded opinions are not actually a part of the continuity.

BTW, if the author said "more powerful as a spirit", something tells me you wouldn't have conceded the point.