Exar Kun runs duo gauntlet

> Prime Exar Kun
> Kun only wields his double bladed saber
> Opponents also only possess their own lightsaber (no items are allowed like Scepter of Ragnos)
> Both sides have no prior knowledge
> Everyone's in character
> Victory by any means
> Fight is all out (Sith Sorcery isn't allowed including Zannah's illusions)
> Takes place inside Dantooine's Rakatan Ruins

Round 1:

1 - Revan and Alek (Mandalorian Wars)
2 - Darth Revan and Darth Malak (Pre-Kotor)
3 - Darth Traya and Darth Sion (Sion does not resurrect)
4 - Darth Nihilus and Visas Marr
5 - Darth Bane and Darth Zannah (DoE)
6 - Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis
7 - Darth Sidious and Darth Maul (TPM)
8 - Yoda and Mace Windu (TPM)

Round 2:

Same as round one but Kun has access to all of his gear.

Round 3: Same as round two but Ulic also joins to Kun.

I don't see any of these duos being as powerful as JA Luke and Kyp, to be honest.

A sad bump

Bane and Zannah kicks him to the curb.

Stops at 5 or 6, though 6 and 7 should be switched around. He goes down in a decent fight against 8.

Could die at 1. Definitely dies at 2.

He stomps everything until 4; which should be switched with 5, he beats everything after that given these are only TPM incarnations.

Get back to this when you have a sufficient reply in the other thread.

Stops at 2. With Ulic at his side he stops at 2, b/c Revan > Base Malak > Kun >= Ulic, but bar that he clears. None of these guys bar maybe Yoda and Mace are at JA Luke and Kyp's level.

Base Malak nor SF Malak can even touch Ulic, nevermind Kun himself.

Per your opinion, there’s the Wizards quote that proves otherwise in my interpretation.

Stops at Bane and Zannah, allow me to explain:

Zannah has comparable sorcery feats to Kun to defend Bane against Kun's haxx and retaliate in kind. Kun isn't on the level of Zannah or Bane as duelists. Ulic is beneath either individually in every aspect, and as for Kun's other greatest aspect Telepathy, Bane has him matched or exceeded with Kaan scaling. Even at the lowest possible numbers for Bane he has more power than ever before as of doe which as i said the lowest possible number of sith is 12, but twelve fully trained masters of the darkside is still insane, for instance Kota muses a group of padawans can pull an isd out of the sky, Bane is likely above a group of PT Padawans.

he doesn´t make it very far in this gauntlet ... i will leave it at that .
few rounds should be switched around as mentioned above .
with back up he stops at 6 (which should be 7) ,
gets murdered at 8 even with teammate (yoda solos) .

Falls at 1. If not, stomped at 2.

IdrisianGraecus wrote:Per your opinion, there’s the Wizards quote that proves otherwise in my interpretation.

I don't care what your interpretation is, it isn't solid dnough grounds for use agaimst Kun. He roflstomps 1 and 2.

Gauntlet order sucks.

OT:

Meatpants wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:Could die at 1. Definitely dies at 2.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Gauntlet order sucks.

OT:

Meatpants wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:Could die at 1. Definitely dies at 2.

How would you list it?

Any argument for Revan and Malak that isn't based on faulty Malak quote scaling?

Even if he somehow gets past 2, he gets drained at 4.

Nihilus is canonically sub-Ragnos, though.

Citation?

How do you know she's referring to Ragnos, and not Vitiate? Why should she be taken as a reliable source anyway, given that she never met any of the ancient sith (except for possibly Vitiate)? You don't want to accept the SF Malak quote as legitimate despite being OOU, but Kreia's personal opinion counts as a canonical fact?

You also argue that the SF Malak quote is overriden by Exar Kun's superior feats; do you think Ragnos has better feats than Nihilus?

She's never actually met Vitiate, she doesn't meet him until after she's dead. In fact, she only knows that the 'true Sith' are out there because Malachor V revealed their existence in some fashion. Nor did Vitiate even exist in the lore at this point, so no it is not referring to Vitiate. It's referring to the ancient Sith as a whole. Ragnos is more powerful than all of them.

Kreia is right because Avellone confirmed that she's not only accurate in her statements but that the holocrons Atris had gathered, allowed Traya a frame of reference for the ancient Sith's power. Traya had already studied them all, besides Malachor V's power. She's the one who uncovers this technique and teaches it to Nihilus. There's no reason to doubt her reliability.

I don't accept the Malak quote because the article it stems from was deleted, the author of the quote confirms what it actually meant and the quote on its own two feet doesn't even definitively state what everyone wants it to.

As far as Ragnos is concerned, the whole Sceptor of Ragnos ordeal strongly suggests that stuff like the Dorsk 81 Imperial fleet TK feat is beneath him. So given that we don't have any feats from Ragnos besides everyone he scales from, then I don't dismiss him on the basis of a comparison. Malak however, was depicted at far beyond his normal power levels and we saw everything we needed to.

Just to confirm, I do not discount the Malak quote on the basis of Kun's laughably superior feats. Though, that helps put the nail in the coffin.