Tulak Hord vs Count Dooku

 he was clearly beating them here. he can pretty much fight two kit fistos at the same time,

while not using his full power,

and still hold a superior hand on them.

we already know that dooku> mace windu, even as a jedi. something that is stated in this book at as well. this is simply hype talk.

plus, this hype talk means kriff, since we still see yoda beating him.

1. u can see him fighting them at the same time once or twice man. it shows that he can do so, even if for just what, 3 seconds? u wanna tell me that arcann can last more than against two kit fisto lvl fighters in sabers only? and i dont see him breathing heavily, but i do see him catching his breath. 

2. no red eyes, i believe,

no use of the force iirc,

no sign of emotion,

he does not want to kill kenobi nor harm him,

AND and he cannot even heavily harm anakin, per sheev's orders.

labyrinth of evil talks addresses this i think. he only went all out against anakin in the IH i believe.

3. no he was still besting them even when they were together. 5.

4. u have. i thought i told where it was from, but ill post it here again. i think its from dark rendezvous. "Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."
 ^ he compares dooku to the other jedi in the room, and says that he is the best in the mentioned categories. mace windu was there, alongside a bunch of other council members. we know he is talking about jedi dooku just by reading what he says there. this story also takes place in 19 BBY (early 19 BBY tho), and the anakin he also compares dooku to is TCW anakin as well (this happens in the previous paragraph. idk if u wanted to post that as well). so yeah, jedi dooku> TCW anakin as well. 

 NOW, I ACTUALLY DO NOT THINK THAT JEDI DOOKU> 19 BBY MACE WINDU, BUT IT SHOWS THAT THE POWER IS NOT FAR OFF AT ALL FROM BOTH OF THEM.

hence why i think most people believe that windu only surpassed dooku in the end years of 19 BBY, or ROTS. legends seems to make this somewhat obvious imo, but opinions and butts, each person has their own.

5. i still dont see the outlander being more powerful than dooku either. he is clearly comparable tho, thats obvious.

but sabers? i still dont see it. BUT if u can make a good case for him, i could be swayed.

Llorenzo.r.2nd wrote:
i feel like yoda is overrated in this fight. while he is obviously superior to dooku, he did have a smaller size, was stronger in the force, more experienced, was faster, and was more skilled, and dooku still could hold his own. this is honestly the only (maybe) reason why i put dooku so high tbh. dooku then got substantially stronger and more skilled by ROTS (him fighting anakin, who is a legit yoda/sheev lvl duelist, before he decided to go all out (which i think happened after he dun moch'd anakin) shows this pretty well, i believe). sheev and yoda are considered to be the best duelists in both sides (light and dark) by pretty much everybody, so him fighting anakin who is within their tier also makes me believe that he above the outlander.


”Dooku could hold his own”
 I didn’t know 40 seconds of duelling equals ”hold his own”
But i guess. You learn something new everyday.

Meatpants wrote:@BreakofDawn Are you willing to back up Dooku vs Windu in a debate?

BreakofDawn wrote:

Meatpants wrote:@BreakofDawn Are you willing to back up Dooku vs Windu in a debate?

Depends which Dooku and which Mace.

Darth Zash, SWTOR wrote:
[size=34]"This artifact is one of five that together describe a peculiar ritual used by the great Tulak Hord when he conquered the Dromund system."[/size]


[size=34]"These artifacts will change everything, apprentice--you, especially. They will make you more powerful than you could imagine. I have foreseen it."[/size]

Star Wars the Old Republic wrote:At last you have gathered the fragments of Tulak Hord’s artifact and are ready to undergo the ritual. Darth Zash has promised that this ritual will give you great power, and that soon, the galaxy will kneel before you.

The Dark Temple Codex Entry wrote:[size=32]the [/size]temple[size=32] itself remained sealed until recently, when an expedition of power-hungry Sith Lords and their servants breached the gateway.[/size]
[size=32]The [/size]Dark[size=32] Council did not sanction this intrusion, nor did it punish the rogue Sith; [/size]no one returned from the expedition to punish.Violent electrical storms surrounded the temple for the first week after it was opened

Lord Allaric, SWTOR wrote:[size=32]"They awoke an ancient sith lord - Lord [/size]Kallig[size=32] - and their expedition plunged into madness."[/size]

Lord Kallig Codex Entry wrote:--and that the strange events in the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas have Kallig at their center.

The Spirit of Lord Kallig, SWTOR wrote:[size=31]"When the weaklings of this planet trespassed my tomb, I rose, resuming my former life. [/size]This temple became my kingdom, and I was once more a Lord of the Sith[size=31]."[/size]

Lord Allaric, SWTOR wrote:[size=31]"His power overwhelmed all inside the [/size]temple[size=31], and even now workers plot wars against each other, believing themselves Sith Lords and [/size]drawing terrible power from Kallig himself.[size=31]"[/size]

Lord Zash, SWTOR wrote:[size=32]“Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.”[/size]

The Beast of Marka Ragnos Codex Entry wrote:Left to guard the tomb serving as the resting place for its master, Marka Ragnos, the beast has dwelled in darkness for centuries. Legend tells that Ragnos beat his pet nightly, warping it with the Force until it was a creature of pure hate and anguish.

Overseer Tremel, SWTOR wrote:[size=32]The beast of Marka Ragnos was a great source of [/size]dark[size=32] energy here on Korriban. [/size]When it was slain, there was a tremor in the Force[size=32]. Darth Baras felt that termor and has become aware of you. He demands an audience.[/size]

SWTOR: Encyclopedia wrote:Burial place, prison, and reliquary, the Dark Temple was built on the orders of the Emperor to seal away powerful artifacts and the Emperor's enemies, both alive and dead. The temple became a nexus of dark side energy as the Emperor performed rituals within, drawing strength and knowledge from his captives.