★ Top Fifteen Tournament #2 - Palpatine

LadyKulvax wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Valkorion has always, and will always be Sheev’s inferior. I vote Palps.

Give me one feat Sheev has that compares to Ziost, which wasn't just the desolation of a surface in under thirty seconds but caused enormous damage to the point it ripped deep fissures across the planet and beyond that, caused actual damage to the core of the planet and causes massive magnetic shifts that caused orbit-wide power fluctuations that even affected the space station. The resulting residual energy of the dark side caused the creation of the Monoliths, pure dark side energy manifestations that are immortal and incomparably dangerous.

Once you have that down, congratulations you just managed to make Sheev ~ Spirit Vitiate who is << SWTOR!Vitiate.

Good luck.

LadyKulvax wrote:So you have no real argument then?

LadyKulvax wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Valkorion has always, and will always be Sheev’s inferior. I vote Palps.

Give me one feat Sheev has that compares to Ziost, which wasn't just the desolation of a surface in under thirty seconds but caused enormous damage to the point it ripped deep fissures across the planet and beyond that, caused actual damage to the core of the planet and causes massive magnetic shifts that caused orbit-wide power fluctuations that even affected the space station. The resulting residual energy of the dark side caused the creation of the Monoliths, pure dark side energy manifestations that are immortal and incomparably dangerous.

Once you have that down, congratulations you just managed to make Sheev ~ Spirit Vitiate who is << SWTOR!Vitiate.

Good luck.

Gianfi wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:

Blade_of_Dorin wrote:Valkorion has always, and will always be Sheev’s inferior. I vote Palps.

Give me one feat Sheev has that compares to Ziost, which wasn't just the desolation of a surface in under thirty seconds but caused enormous damage to the point it ripped deep fissures across the planet and beyond that, caused actual damage to the core of the planet and causes massive magnetic shifts that caused orbit-wide power fluctuations that even affected the space station. The resulting residual energy of the dark side caused the creation of the Monoliths, pure dark side energy manifestations that are immortal and incomparably dangerous.

Once you have that down, congratulations you just managed to make Sheev ~ Spirit Vitiate who is << SWTOR!Vitiate.

Good luck.

Sidious as of DE could create Force storm big enough to destroy fleets and without needing much preparation compared to Valky

PeraltaEagle45 wrote:Sidious or Krayt, tbh.

Could see an outside argument for Vitiate.

Azronger wrote:

PeraltaEagle45 wrote:Sidious or Krayt, tbh.

Can you justify that position? In terms of just conventional power Palpatine has Krayt outclassed.

I don't, but I'm curious what that argument would be. I hear DarthAnt66 and XSUPREMEXSKILLZ have been cooking up something, but you're free to give your own case as well if you have one.

MasterCilghal wrote:Since some people have asked for an argument, i’ll give my opinion for why I chose Nyax: 
1- he has proven he can move faster then NJO Luke, likely placing him as the fastest among the suggested characters.

2- given his primal ferocity and total lack of restraint, I think he should be able to kill Malgus just as easily as anyone else but more efficiently than either Palpatine or Valkorion.

PeraltaEagle45 wrote:I've always held Sidious>Krayt but recently I've been reexamining that stance. Given that Luke bested Sidious fairly in DE, he grew significantly between DE and FotJ, Luke & Krayt's fight with Abeloth in FotJ strongly suggests parity (or at least near-parity) between the two, and Krayt grew substantially from FotJ to his prime, there's solid basis for a Krayt>Sidious argument there.

It essentially comes down to the fact that Valkorion is undeniably close to them in power. He can be argued to be above them due to Ziost and Vivicar scaling. I don't personally fully buy into that, but it does put Valk in their ballpark.

Azronger wrote:Quote? Was that in a physical fight or Force fight?

Lord Nyax led the three Jedi on a high-speed run through the ruins of Coruscant. He could travel faster than they could, because from time to time he’d simply leap from one building to the next one over, usually a leap too great for them to match. Yet they could always feel him in the distance, sense his movements, sense a feeling of expectation and even anxiety from him.
-Enemy Lines 2: Rebel Stand

MasterCilghal wrote:

Azronger wrote:Quote? Was that in a physical fight or Force fight?

It wasn’t a fight, at least not in that specific passage I mentioned, it was a chase between Luke’s team and Nyax. This makes the likelihood of him using his full speed (and by extension Luke using his full speed to keep up with him, especially considering that Luke sees Nyax as a very dangerous threat) all he more likely. But here is the quote: 

Lord Nyax led the three Jedi on a high-speed run through the ruins of Coruscant. He could travel faster than they could, because from time to time he’d simply leap from one building to the next one over, usually a leap too great for them to match. Yet they could always feel him in the distance, sense his movements, sense a feeling of expectation and even anxiety from him.
-Enemy Lines 2: Rebel Stand

The fact that it mentions “high speed” further supports my point. This obviously also applies to his force leap, which is greater than Luke’s own.

Azronger wrote:

MasterCilghal wrote:Since some people have asked for an argument, i’ll give my opinion for why I chose Nyax: 
1- he has proven he can move faster then NJO Luke, likely placing him as the fastest among the suggested characters.

Quote? Was that in a physical fight or Force fight?

Denua Ku wrote:"The pale thing fought with a savagery and speed unlike those of any warrior he had ever seen. And it was untrained. With his experienced warrior's eye, he could see that its movements were instinctive, a fact revealed in the creature's failure to throw effective combinations of blows, its inability to gauge which way its enemies would leap when it attacked them.

If it had been born Yuuzhan Vong, if he'd been able to train it for a year, even half a year, he could have turned this thing into the greatest warrior who was not himself a god. As it was, he'd have to kill this thing.

Even if the Jeedai, too, wanted it dead, it was still an abomination. And it was the greater threat. It had to die first. He threw his last razorbug, then lunged forward into hand-to-hand range, probing at the pale thing's back with the tail-tip of his amphistaff.

The pale thing spun, sending its knee blade toward Denua Ku's guts. He blocked the sweep with his amphistaff, but the impact was tremendous; it threw him back off his feet. He rolled backward and came upright, saw one of his warriors perform a similar probing assault... and this warrior took a forearm blade through the throat.

Nine Yuuzhan Vong warriors down. Sixteen to go. The numbers were becoming worse."

Azronger wrote:Pretty sure every contender for the number 2 spot is lacking restraint. And how is he able to kill Malgus "more efficiently" than those two? Palpatine, for example, can summon Force storms "with mere thought and inclination", so in theory, all he has to do is think, and one will appear in Malgus' location, killing him instantly.

"With Mounting Anguish, Luke and Leia watch the Emperor's rage take form, as a great storm of raw energy rends the fabric of space itself!"