Mustafar Vader>BoROTS Anakin confirmed

Obi-Wan tracked his former friend to the planet Mustafar. Full of angers Vader attacked Obi-Wan. The Jedi Master was a legendary fighter, but so was Anakin, and now he had the power of the dark side of the force.


Credit: Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight

LOTL wrote:

Obi-Wan tracked his former friend to the planet Mustafar. Full of angers Vader attacked Obi-Wan. The Jedi Master was a legendary fighter, but so was Anakin, and now he had the power of the dark side of the force.


Credit: Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight

Note, that this quote is unique in the sense that it specifically refers to the "power" of the dark side in the context of the battle. The common argument employed to show why Anakin is weaker is that he may be more powerful but he cannot access that power yet. However in this quote, it is evident that Anakin "can" access the power because it is referring to the context of Anakin attacking him in the battle itself. The entire point of the statement is to show that Anakin is more formidable because he has the power of the dark side so why would they mention that he "now can access the power" of the dark side if he cannot make use of that power?

Note that if Anakin cannot access that "power" of the dark side then the entire point of the statement "Anakin was a legendary fighter before but now he even has the power of the dark side" makes no sense whatsoever

However, this cannot be employed to put Zonakin or KFV as inferior to MFV as they too are employing that power in battle

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

LOTL wrote:

Obi-Wan tracked his former friend to the planet Mustafar. Full of angers Vader attacked Obi-Wan. The Jedi Master was a legendary fighter, but so was Anakin, and now he had the power of the dark side of the force.


Credit: Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight

Note, that this quote is unique in the sense that it specifically refers to the "power" of the dark side in the context of the battle. The common argument employed to show why Anakin is weaker is that he may be more powerful but he cannot access that power yet. However in this quote, it is evident that Anakin "can" access the power because it is referring to the context of Anakin attacking him in the battle itself. The entire point of the statement is to show that Anakin is more formidable because he has the power of the dark side so why would they mention that he "now can access the power" of the dark side if he cannot make use of that power?

Note that if Anakin cannot access that "power" of the dark side then the entire point of the statement "Anakin was a legendary fighter before but now he even has the power of the dark side" makes no sense whatsoever

However, this cannot be employed to put Zonakin or KFV as inferior to MFV as they too are employing that power in battle

I'd say we're going for round 2 today but my response to this would be included in the other thread. 

Regardless:

This quote still falls under describing Anakin as a different version but not explicitly saying it's a better one. And the quote isn't completely unique considering in the ROTS Anakin himself says to Kenobi that he can't match the power of the dark side during that fight, which Kenobi does at one point during a contest of TK strength. 

I don't think anyones saying Anakin can't access that power at that point it's just the extent of it. It's also that he can't use or focus it as effectively as he did on the IH. 

Again the quote says he's no using the dark side which during Mustafar is fully. However it doesn't mean it's better as I've mentioned above.

LOTL wrote:

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

LOTL wrote:

Obi-Wan tracked his former friend to the planet Mustafar. Full of angers Vader attacked Obi-Wan. The Jedi Master was a legendary fighter, but so was Anakin, and now he had the power of the dark side of the force.


Credit: Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight

Note, that this quote is unique in the sense that it specifically refers to the "power" of the dark side in the context of the battle. The common argument employed to show why Anakin is weaker is that he may be more powerful but he cannot access that power yet. However in this quote, it is evident that Anakin "can" access the power because it is referring to the context of Anakin attacking him in the battle itself. The entire point of the statement is to show that Anakin is more formidable because he has the power of the dark side so why would they mention that he "now can access the power" of the dark side if he cannot make use of that power?

Note that if Anakin cannot access that "power" of the dark side then the entire point of the statement "Anakin was a legendary fighter before but now he even has the power of the dark side" makes no sense whatsoever

However, this cannot be employed to put Zonakin or KFV as inferior to MFV as they too are employing that power in battle

I'd say we're going for round 2 today but my response to this would be included in the other thread. 

Regardless:

This quote still falls under describing Anakin as a different version but not explicitly saying it's a better one. And the quote isn't completely unique considering in the ROTS Anakin himself says to Kenobi that he can't match the power of the dark side during that fight, which Kenobi does at one point during a contest of TK strength. 

I don't think anyones saying Anakin can't access that power at that point it's just the extent of it. It's also that he can't use or focus it as effectively as he did on the IH. 

Again the quote says he's no using the dark side which during Mustafar is fully. However it doesn't mean it's better as I've mentioned above.

It is explicitly saying it that Anakin is better yeah. If you contest that then there is not much I can do to influence you at all. This is elementary reading comprehension bro

Anakin is being arrogant. That statement to Obi Wan is hyperbole.


Yeah and all that being considered too he is still a 9. In the beginning of ROTS Anakin is an 8. Hence Mustafar Anakin>BoROTS Anakin. This quote supports that too. Which is my point. I am not saying that MFV is necessarily better than the "focused Anakin" on the IH but yeah he is better than the early version of Anakin on the IH( who was still beating Dooku) because that early version is an "8"

SithSauce wrote:https://youtu.be/UqLsQClut5c?t=506
There's also this quote from Hayden Christensen where he says Obi Wan got the upperhand but that's "a result of Anakin's emotions and not being able to focus them and control them which is the root of Anakin's inabilities".
Honestly Kenobi's victory isn't as impressive as some people make it out to be and it certainly doesn't peg him at tier 9

SithSauce wrote:But Christensen notes how he could not control and focus those emotions and that makes sense as he's up against his former master who he had once loved and cared for. That to me puts you at a pretty big disadvantage. And even arrogance is a hinderance as well.
I mean you can't argue that TPM Kenobi>Maul just because Maul was arrogrant.

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

SithSauce wrote:But Christensen notes how he could not control and focus those emotions and that makes sense as he's up against his former master who he had once loved and cared for. That to me puts you at a pretty big disadvantage. And even arrogance is a hinderance as well.
I mean you can't argue that TPM Kenobi>Maul just because Maul was arrogrant.

People argue TPM Kenobi > Any version of Vader so anything can happen at this point.

SithSauce wrote:But Christensen notes how he could not control and focus those emotions and that makes sense as he's up against his former master who he had once loved and cared for. That to me puts you at a pretty big disadvantage. And even arrogance is a hinderance as well.
I mean you can't argue that TPM Kenobi>Maul just because Maul was arrogrant.