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Rohirrim
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 12:58 pm
This is true as per StarWars.com, Ultimate Star Wars and Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force, at the very least.
DarthAnt66Moderator
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:27 pm
Chee has said that "on paper" Anakin would have beaten Obi-Wan for Canon. Them being equally matched also doesn't mean equal abilities. There's extensive commentary from Gillard and Christensen even explaining how they tried to make the fight functionally even despite also having Anakin the superior fighter.
- Rohirrim
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:36 pm
You could make a case for Anakin being physically superior, being at a stylistic disadvantage and possibly having greater Force reserves. The notion that Anakin is significantly superior, however, is dispelled by all those sources and the actual fight, which shows both of them struggling at times and matching each other in a Force contest.
Latham2000Level Three
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:37 pm
Jaggarath wrote:Chee has said that "on paper" Anakin would have beaten Obi-Wan for Canon. Them being equally matched also doesn't mean equal abilities. There's extensive commentary from Gillard and Christensen even explaining how they tried to make the fight functionally even despite also having Anakin the superior fighter.
Date of when Chee said that? This is canon, not legends, so the chances of Gillard and Christensen's statements still being canon is dubious, and we could say their explanations have been retconned by the most recent sources.
Galan007
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:41 pm
Jedi vs. Sith (2016) credits Kenobi and Anakin being equal due to the fact that they had "fought as a team countless times before, and knew each other's best moves--and weaknesses."
DarthAdi
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:53 pm
@Latham2000: I'm not saying that Hayden's or Gillard's coments are necessarily canon, but what recent sources retcons them? Anakin and Obi Wan could very well be equally matched on Mustafar without having equal abilities as Ant pointed out. Chee's tweet is from 2017 or 2018.
- Rohirrim
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 1:54 pm
@Galan007:
Yup. Though that is an advantage that goes both ways. The Revenge of the Sith Read-Along Storybook notes that "Obi-Wan anticipated Anakin's every strike, and Anakin blocked each of Obi-Wan's attacks".
This bit from Revenge of the Sith: 6 Stories in 1 might also be interesting: "Obi-Wan could almost believe that it was just another training session, that he was just showing his Padawan a new stance. He could almost imagine that in a moment, the young man would raise his hands up in defeat, groan about losing, and then ask to try again". It's vaguely implied that sparring sessions usually went Kenobi's way, though of course Anakin would have logically grown a lot since their last one.
Yup. Though that is an advantage that goes both ways. The Revenge of the Sith Read-Along Storybook notes that "Obi-Wan anticipated Anakin's every strike, and Anakin blocked each of Obi-Wan's attacks".
This bit from Revenge of the Sith: 6 Stories in 1 might also be interesting: "Obi-Wan could almost believe that it was just another training session, that he was just showing his Padawan a new stance. He could almost imagine that in a moment, the young man would raise his hands up in defeat, groan about losing, and then ask to try again". It's vaguely implied that sparring sessions usually went Kenobi's way, though of course Anakin would have logically grown a lot since their last one.
The lord of hungerLevel Two
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 5:43 pm
Latham2000 wrote:Jaggarath wrote:Chee has said that "on paper" Anakin would have beaten Obi-Wan for Canon. Them being equally matched also doesn't mean equal abilities. There's extensive commentary from Gillard and Christensen even explaining how they tried to make the fight functionally even despite also having Anakin the superior fighter.
Date of when Chee said that? This is canon, not legends, so the chances of Gillard and Christensen's statements still being canon is dubious, and we could say their explanations have been retconned by the most recent sources.
Nute_ChethrayModerator
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 6:19 pm
Didn't they confirm random OOU statements don't mattter for canon anyways? So Chee/Gillard/Hayden wouldn't matter
- Rohirrim
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 6:34 pm
Nute_Chethray wrote:Didn't they confirm random OOU statements don't mattter for canon anyways? So Chee/Gillard/Hayden wouldn't matter
Yes.
- DarthAnt66Moderator
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 8:06 pm
Latham2000 wrote:Jaggarath wrote:Chee has said that "on paper" Anakin would have beaten Obi-Wan for Canon. Them being equally matched also doesn't mean equal abilities. There's extensive commentary from Gillard and Christensen even explaining how they tried to make the fight functionally even despite also having Anakin the superior fighter.
Date of when Chee said that? This is canon, not legends, so the chances of Gillard and Christensen's statements still being canon is dubious, and we could say their explanations have been retconned by the most recent sources.
https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/1007807451687604224 is an endorsement of Canon material backing Anakin > Obi-Wan.
And I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never said Gillard and Christensen are Canon. I said that they obviously think Obi-Wan and Anakin being equally matched does not mean they are equally powerful fighters. That obviously applies for Canon too and should also be readily evident just watching the film.
- DarthAnt66Moderator
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 29th 2020, 8:16 pm
Rohirrim wrote:@Galan007:
Yup. Though that is an advantage that goes both ways. The Revenge of the Sith Read-Along Storybook notes that "Obi-Wan anticipated Anakin's every strike, and Anakin blocked each of Obi-Wan's attacks".
I see this said a lot, but it's not true. Anakin's the one on the offensive for almost the entire fight, and it's not as if Anakin knowing Obi-Wan's moves nullify Obi-Wan knowing Anakin's moves. That prior knowledge still generates a much longer and closer fight than it would have been without prior knowledge.
- Rohirrim
Re: rots obi wan=mustafar anakin confirmation
April 30th 2020, 1:38 am
@Jaggarath: How so? The quote @Galan007 provided makes it clear that Anakin knew Obi-Wan's moves and weaknesses. Knowledge of that kind is what allowed Rebels Kenobi to beat Maul in three moves, and is what allowed ROTS Dooku to quickly beat Kenobi. So Anakin could have used such knowledge to anticipate Obi-Wan's parries and gain the advantage through superior skill/power, if he truly was that much better. Prior knowledge does not necessarily generate a longer fight. And again, Obi-Wan equaled him in a Force contest, so it's not a stretch at all to think that he could near equal him across the board.
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