Outlander and Unchained Vaylin vs Yoda

LadyKulvax wrote:EVERYONE ELSE AGREES MY SWTOR CUNTTOYS ARE FODDER REEEE

Geistalt wrote:Yoda stomps unless the Outlander uses the Valkorion-level lightning everyone's been saying he can use

LadyKulvax wrote:How is Yoda beyond Revan, nevermind Vaylin and Outlander?

darthbane77 wrote:Yoda. Vaylin is a boderline trash tier swordsman, and he Force power doesn't stack up even to Dooku's, let alone Yoda's. Outlander, according to Chris Boyd, had help from Valkorion when he resisted Unchained Vaylin's final desperate assault, implying Outlander is weaker than Vaylin was at the time himself, on top of him also not being a peer of Yoda as a swordsman. Duo gives Yoda a decent fight, I don't mean to say they're fodder by any means, but I don't see them winning.

 Well, I can put it this way: in Act 2, we have the HoT and a strike team of “the most powerful and resolute Jedi in the order” being defeated “easily” by the Emperor. A year later in Act 3, the HoT is able to fight through Kaas City and the Dark Temple (an immense focal point of dark side energy, arguably the most powerful in the galaxy) and slaughter the Voice in the throng of his power. While it is stated the Emperor is weakened, this is noted multiple times to be ”temporary,” and Scourge says that Vitiate would ”recover quickly” and ”could not be granted time to gather his power.” Keep in mind that even weakened Voiciate was powerful enough that Act 3 Scourge was incapable of ”resisting his direct influence”, and therefore felt he would be a hindrance to the Hero’s efforts. Conversely, in the Revan Novel, Revan states he ”probably” would not be capable of defeating Vitiate alone, but “with Meetra, Scourge, and T3 at his side, he believed they stood a real chance at victory.” This indicates that the Emperor as of the Novel could not dominate (an infinitely weaker and less intimate with Vitiate) Scourge in the same manner as weakened Voiciate could in SWTOR. Unfortunately, the Hero dissipated his energies” further by saving his apprentice before fighting the Emperor, giving him time to gather his power. Nevertheless, the Emperor was no match for the Hero. This is the kind of growth the Hero is capable of going through in a single year, and a testament to the unfathomable power he wields even at the ripe age of 23: power beyond any force user in history up until that point, even weakened and with dissipated reserves. 

Another year passes and the Hero faces various galactic threats far beyond Voiciate, such as Soa, the Terror From Beyond, Amped Tagriss, and the Dread Masters. Before SoR, the Hero also undergoes spiritual growth in which he comes to terms with and embraces the repressed memories he had while being a mind slave under the Emperor for 6 months: ”My memories of that time were power. That power is my weapon and my right. I claim it.”

Praxis wrote:

darthbane77 wrote:Yoda. Vaylin is a boderline trash tier swordsman, and he Force power doesn't stack up even to Dooku's, let alone Yoda's. Outlander, according to Chris Boyd, had help from Valkorion when he resisted Unchained Vaylin's final desperate assault, implying Outlander is weaker than Vaylin was at the time himself, on top of him also not being a peer of Yoda as a swordsman. Duo gives Yoda a decent fight, I don't mean to say they're fodder by any means, but I don't see them winning.

@darthbane77 Mind explaining the stuff I underlined? As for the Outlander being "weaker" than Vaylin due to her blast, are you speaking from a raw power standpoint or just being an overall inferior? Also, his name is Charles Boyd, not Chris Boyd.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:Either character would solo. I would like to see someone (looking at you, DB77) prove that Yoda would even be able to stomp BM amped SoR HoT. This is what base SoR HoT has going for him, for reference:

 Well, I can put it this way: in Act 2, we have the HoT and a strike team of “the most powerful and resolute Jedi in the order” being defeated “easily” by the Emperor. A year later in Act 3, the HoT is able to fight through Kaas City and the Dark Temple (an immense focal point of dark side energy, arguably the most powerful in the galaxy) and slaughter the Voice in the throng of his power. While it is stated the Emperor is weakened, this is noted multiple times to be ”temporary,” and Scourge says that Vitiate would ”recover quickly” and ”could not be granted time to gather his power.” Keep in mind that even weakened Voiciate was powerful enough that Act 3 Scourge was incapable of ”resisting his direct influence”, and therefore felt he would be a hindrance to the Hero’s efforts. Conversely, in the Revan Novel, Revan states he ”probably” would not be capable of defeating Vitiate alone, but “with Meetra, Scourge, and T3 at his side, he believed they stood a real chance at victory.” This indicates that the Emperor as of the Novel could not dominate (an infinitely weaker and less intimate with Vitiate) Scourge in the same manner as weakened Voiciate could in SWTOR. Unfortunately, the Hero dissipated his energies” further by saving his apprentice before fighting the Emperor, giving him time to gather his power. Nevertheless, the Emperor was no match for the Hero. This is the kind of growth the Hero is capable of going through in a single year, and a testament to the unfathomable power he wields even at the ripe age of 23: power beyond any force user in history up until that point, even weakened and with dissipated reserves. 

Another year passes and the Hero faces various galactic threats far beyond Voiciate, such as Soa, the Terror From Beyond, Amped Tagriss, and the Dread Masters. Before SoR, the Hero also undergoes spiritual growth in which he comes to terms with and embraces the repressed memories he had while being a mind slave under the Emperor for 6 months: ”My memories of that time were power. That power is my weapon and my right. I claim it.”

darthbane77 wrote:I mean, the HoT in all forms is a Jedi, meaning he is explicitly inferior to people like TPM Yoda and Windu, and arguably Dooku given AotC Dooku is hyped up to be at least near equal to Yoda at the time. The HoT has never left the Jedi Order, even during KotFE and KotET it's never uttered by the HoT that "I am no longer a Jedi Knight" or anything to that effect. He is bound as an inferior to Yoda, Windu, and possibly Dooku circa TPM. All the feats you listed do nothing more than prove that the three aforementioned PT titans would be more than capable of replicating them.

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't see how the HoTlander at his peak can be bound as inferior to TPM Yoda and then NOT get murked by a significantly more powerful RotS Yoda.

Geistalt wrote:

darthbane77 wrote:I mean, the HoT in all forms is a Jedi, meaning he is explicitly inferior to people like TPM Yoda and Windu, and arguably Dooku given AotC Dooku is hyped up to be at least near equal to Yoda at the time. The HoT has never left the Jedi Order, even during KotFE and KotET it's never uttered by the HoT that "I am no longer a Jedi Knight" or anything to that effect. He is bound as an inferior to Yoda, Windu, and possibly Dooku circa TPM. All the feats you listed do nothing more than prove that the three aforementioned PT titans would be more than capable of replicating them.

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't see how the HoTlander at his peak can be bound as inferior to TPM Yoda and then NOT get murked by a significantly more powerful RotS Yoda.

Ignore him; he's one of the folks who thinks HoT isn't bound by TPM Yoda/Windu supremacy quotes like people who think Valk isn't bound by those for Sidious

either because they were new characters created after the quotes or they think the quotes were never valid to begin with.

darthbane77 wrote:

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ wrote:Either character would solo. I would like to see someone (looking at you, DB77) prove that Yoda would even be able to stomp BM amped SoR HoT. This is what base SoR HoT has going for him, for reference:

 Well, I can put it this way: in Act 2, we have the HoT and a strike team of “the most powerful and resolute Jedi in the order” being defeated “easily” by the Emperor. A year later in Act 3, the HoT is able to fight through Kaas City and the Dark Temple (an immense focal point of dark side energy, arguably the most powerful in the galaxy) and slaughter the Voice in the throng of his power. While it is stated the Emperor is weakened, this is noted multiple times to be ”temporary,” and Scourge says that Vitiate would ”recover quickly” and ”could not be granted time to gather his power.” Keep in mind that even weakened Voiciate was powerful enough that Act 3 Scourge was incapable of ”resisting his direct influence”, and therefore felt he would be a hindrance to the Hero’s efforts. Conversely, in the Revan Novel, Revan states he ”probably” would not be capable of defeating Vitiate alone, but “with Meetra, Scourge, and T3 at his side, he believed they stood a real chance at victory.” This indicates that the Emperor as of the Novel could not dominate (an infinitely weaker and less intimate with Vitiate) Scourge in the same manner as weakened Voiciate could in SWTOR. Unfortunately, the Hero dissipated his energies” further by saving his apprentice before fighting the Emperor, giving him time to gather his power. Nevertheless, the Emperor was no match for the Hero. This is the kind of growth the Hero is capable of going through in a single year, and a testament to the unfathomable power he wields even at the ripe age of 23: power beyond any force user in history up until that point, even weakened and with dissipated reserves. 

Another year passes and the Hero faces various galactic threats far beyond Voiciate, such as Soa, the Terror From Beyond, Amped Tagriss, and the Dread Masters. Before SoR, the Hero also undergoes spiritual growth in which he comes to terms with and embraces the repressed memories he had while being a mind slave under the Emperor for 6 months: ”My memories of that time were power. That power is my weapon and my right. I claim it.”

I mean, the HoT in all forms is a Jedi, meaning he is explicitly inferior to people like TPM Yoda and Windu, and arguably Dooku given AotC Dooku is hyped up to be at least near equal to Yoda at the time. The HoT has never left the Jedi Order, even during KotFE and KotET it's never uttered by the HoT that "I am no longer a Jedi Knight" or anything to that effect. He is bound as an inferior to Yoda, Windu, and possibly Dooku circa TPM. All the feats you listed do nothing more than prove that the three aforementioned PT titans would be more than capable of replicating them.

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't see how the HoTlander at his peak can be bound as inferior to TPM Yoda and then NOT get murked by a significantly more powerful RotS Yoda.

Geistalt wrote:

darthbane77 wrote:I mean, the HoT in all forms is a Jedi, meaning he is explicitly inferior to people like TPM Yoda and Windu, and arguably Dooku given AotC Dooku is hyped up to be at least near equal to Yoda at the time. The HoT has never left the Jedi Order, even during KotFE and KotET it's never uttered by the HoT that "I am no longer a Jedi Knight" or anything to that effect. He is bound as an inferior to Yoda, Windu, and possibly Dooku circa TPM. All the feats you listed do nothing more than prove that the three aforementioned PT titans would be more than capable of replicating them.

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I don't see how the HoTlander at his peak can be bound as inferior to TPM Yoda and then NOT get murked by a significantly more powerful RotS Yoda.

Ignore him; he's one of the folks who thinks HoT isn't bound by TPM Yoda/Windu supremacy quotes like people who think Valk isn't bound by those for Sidious

either because they were new characters created after the quotes or they think the quotes were never valid to begin with.