UnuThul vs Vaylin, Outlander and Arcann

Can Unu beat this team?

he gets overwhelmed 1 vs 1 sure

Outlander or Vaylin solo, team just godstomps

Either member of the team can SOLO.

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Do not underestimate Arcann.

The legendary Jedi Consular (The Barsen'thor) had incredible powers; he defeated Lord Vivicar in single combat who in turn was drawing energy from hundreds of Jedi including some of the most talented Jedi Masters of the time into himself to fuel his own. He also managed to defeat the First Son in single combat who in turn represented the most powerful avatar of Tenebrae outside the Voice and was preventing discovery of Tenebrae's Children within the Jedi Order as well as across the galaxy. And when he fought Darth Malgus (The False Emperor incarnation), he was less than impressed (are you kidding me? - understandable given the fact that he defeated the First Son before).

Arcann singlehandedly overwhelmed several Scions and literally froze their leader Heskel in place, impaled him and then send him packing across the hall. Given the fact that Heskel was the leader of Scions and he ONE-SHOTTED Senya Tirall in an exchange earlier, Heskel was easily one of the most powerful Force-users of the Eternal Empire and in the galaxy by extension. Make no mistake; Senya Tirall was one of the most powerful Knights of Zakuul with incredible powers of her own. Arcann scale from both however.

Even if you choose The Barsen'thor to represent The Outlander, you still do not stand a chance against Arcann. He send you packing across the hall with a single blast of power. Although The Outlander manage to escape because a Shuttle-type crashes in the setting (due to another factor), knocking down a gigantic pillar which falls over Arcann (from the looks of it - it would have a mass of many many tons). The latter emerge again indicating the fact that he would have lifted and moved that gigantic pillar away from him to exit. This time Arcann pulls The Outlander towards himself from a distance and impales him on his lightsaber. It is either through the intervention of Valkorion (fleet-busting Force Storm) or through fall of a massive object that the Arcann is knocked off the platform plunging many miles below into the abyss. Not sufficient to kill Arcann either way.

Valkorion significantly enhance powers of The Outlander at a later stage (the incarnation which become The Alliance Commander in the future) to challenge Arcann. Only then this is a fair battle and still very close for either.

Although LINEAR scaling can be misleading, below is a structure based on sequence of events involving The Barsen'thor, implied powers of different characters, and his own assessment of respective opponents:

Arcann > The Barsen'thor >= First Son (Tenebrae's most powerful Child) > Darth Malgus (False Emperor) > Heskel > Senya Tirall >= Lord Vivicar > numerous Jedi Masters

So yeah, Arcann is LEGIT super-strong.

Probably UnuThul

The Rich Man wrote:Probably UnuThul

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because a character XYZ put up a fight against Luke Skywalker, doesn't make him that strong.

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:Probably UnuThul

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because a character XYZ put up a fight against Luke Skywalker, doesn't make him that strong.

It does. He gave Luke a great fight and Luke was going all-out. He also managed to bend turbolasers. Nobody else did it. As for these SWTOR characters, all of them got rekt by Valkorion. They can't defeat UnuThul unless you think Valkorion is superior to Luke.

The Rich Man wrote:

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:Probably UnuThul

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because a character XYZ put up a fight against Luke Skywalker, doesn't make him that strong.

It does. He gave Luke a great fight and Luke was going all-out. He also managed to bend turbolasers. Nobody else did it. As for these SWTOR characters, all of them got rekt by Valkorion. They can't defeat UnuThul unless you think Valkorion is superior to Luke.

I recall that fight in a different way.

UnuThul was able to push Luke around with his Telekinetic abilities but when the latter became serious (shift in mindset), then Luke was pushing UnuThul around and the fight ended soon. Lord Nyax put up a better fight TBH.

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One of the Jedi Masters of KoTOR era was able to withstand a massive volley of Turbolasers on his position while holding the Kressh gauntlet (virtually suicidal move to make sure that Darth Haze is killed). Please keep in mind the fact that the same Jedi Master Lucien Draay himself was strong enough to withstand powers of Darth Haze when the latter was using the same Kressh gauntlet to augment his own. Darth Haze had taken control of the Republic Cruisers stationed above the planet while he himself was on the surface in Draay's Estate and was forcing the Republic Cruisers to bombard different sections of the planet. The Jedi attempted to stop Darth Haze but he killed several Jedi with a single blast of Force Lightning and killed some more with a Lightsaber.

NOW: Master Lucien wasn't even among the strongest Jedi of his time; Revan was the strongest in the galaxy, and would be substantially above Master Lucien by extension.

While bending Turbolasers is a very impressive showing of UnuThul, it is not beyond the capacity of some of the most powerful Jedi to replicate (Revan (Reborn) > Darth Revan > Revan (MW) > Jedi Master Lucien Draay) - rather nobody attempted such a thing. Do you recall Jedi Master Kyp Durron manipulating a singularity created by Dovin Basals much like Jedi Master Luke Skywalker? The intended message is that it is not just Luke who have remarkable abilities - others can match him as well.

WE can realistically expect some of the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed such as Revan, Hero of Tython, The Barsen'thor, Yoda, Kyp Durron, and Luke Skywalker to be capable of bending Turbolasers if each make an effort towards the end.

Once again; you subscribe to LINEAR perception of XYZ cannot beat UnuThul because he put up a fight against Luke Skywalker. This is a FLAWED perception on many levels. Exar Kun defeated/nearly-killed Luke Skywalker (while possessing Jedi Padawan Kyp Durron) when the two eventually came face-to-face on YAVIN 4 - what do you make of this? The intended message is that the legends of The Old Republic are capable of holding their own and then some in comparison to the legends of the future timelines.

Stop underestimating the legends of The Old Republic timeline, man.

Luke Skywalker is widely BELIEVED to be the most powerful JEDI to have ever existed. By extension, he is BELIEVED to be capable of challenging and winning in a fight against any opponent IN THEORY. However, there is no GUARANTEE in reality. Understand the difference.

UnuThul dominates

Dolph wrote:UnuThul dominates

Only in your mind, my very young apprentice.

UnuThul doesn't even need to raise a finger to defeat this team. They suck.

Unuthul has the edge over any of them in raw power, but all three are laughably more skilled in saber combat. Unuthul doesn't have enough of a power edge to stop any of them getting close, and when they do it's over.

Team in a good to great fight.

The Rich Man wrote:

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

The Rich Man wrote:Probably UnuThul

You've got to be kidding me.

Just because a character XYZ put up a fight against Luke Skywalker, doesn't make him that strong.

It does. He gave Luke a great fight and Luke was going all-out. He also managed to bend turbolasers. Nobody else did it. As for these SWTOR characters, all of them got rekt by Valkorion. They can't defeat UnuThul unless you think Valkorion is superior to Luke.

Not true. Vaylin or Outlander solo’ing UnuThul does not preclude Peak Luke being above Valkorion.