UnuThul, Darth Caedus, Darish Vol vs Valkorion, Vaylin, Arcann

HellfireUnit wrote:Team 1. Thul tools Valkorion, Caedus and Vol also would smash the whiny siblings.

BoD wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Team 1. Thul tools Valkorion, Caedus and Vol also would smash the whiny siblings.

Explain.

Thul can most certainly match Valkorion when it comes to power.

Caedus is way more skilled than Vaylin

and is comparable when it comes to power.

Vol is stronger than Caedus and cannot be matched by sub-Vaylin character.

This is basically a 1v3 match. Thul can stall Valkorion at least until the cavalry arrives.

BoD wrote:Unu vs Valk - Valk. More powerful, smarter, more knowledgeable, etc.

Caedus vs Vaylin - Vaylin stomps. She's so much more powerful it's not even funny, and Caedus won't be able to unbalance her like Senya. Vaylin by the end of KOTET was a match for Arcann in sabers.

Vol vs Arcann - KOTET Arcann beats him via chained Vaylin scaling, tbh.

Team 2 literally stomp.

Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances.

Arcann is stronger than Revan (Reborn).

ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:@S_W_LeGenD:

Team 2 literally stomp.

Good meme. Got any others?

Either Valkorion or Vaylin can one-shot under the right circumstances.

Extremely doubtful.

Arcann is stronger than Revan (Reborn).

So is literally everyone here.

Valkorion have superior demonstrations of dark side abilities on Ziost by far. When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him.

Vaylin is superior to anybody else via scaling from Valkorion and demonstrations of power which others could not hope to withstand with the exception of Valkorion. When she conjured a Force Storm, the only being left standing was the Outlander with support of Valkorion (surprise?); others were cast aside like dry leaves and the entire setting was falling apart.

Darth Caedus and Darish Vol above Revan (Reborn)? You are sadly mistaken. I really doubt even UnuThul is above Revan (Reborn).

ScionOfSkywalker77 wrote:@S_W_LeGenD:

Valkorion have superior demonstrations of dark side abilities on Ziost by far. When he is serious and mean business, numbers become irrelevant in front of him.

Vaylin is superior to anybody else via scaling from Valkorion and demonstrations of power which others could not hope to withstand with the exception of Valkorion. When she conjured a Force Storm, the only being left standing was the Outlander with support of Valkorion (surprise?); others were cast aside like dry leaves and the entire setting was falling apart.

There's no connectivity here between the combatants, you've simply listed a bunch of feats without commentary on why they're beyond Caedus, Vol or Thul.

Darth Caedus and Darish Vol above Revan (Reborn)? You are sadly mistaken. I really doubt even UnuThul is above Revan (Reborn).

Given Caedus and Thul scale above him your assertions come off as incredibly amusing.

but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme. - from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Sith Emperor: Codex Entry titled "Death of a World.")

BoD wrote:@S_W_Legend Neither Valkorion nor Vaylin can one-shot. The only chance Valk has is with a planetary ritual, which isn't combat applicable.

Valkorion's exploits on Ziost are not a planetary ritual.

For reference: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/

Although none of it was written in stone, Boyd presented the Zildrog and Vitiate relationship as one more like a priest and a ritual knife. Vitiate was the man, and Zildrog was the instrument used to wipe out the planet Nathema. However, when it came to Ziost, Vitiate did not require Zildrog, but he did require preset rituals and possibly machinery set up on Ziost in order to destroy that planet. But the Sith Emperor would never admit to it.

Valkorion have HISTORY of subjugating entire strike team(s) of powerful Force-users in a confrontation regardless.

Valkorion was making it possible for the Outlander to withstand all that power; others were completely incapacitated by it. This is early stages of a Force Storm (Wormhole) in the making.

This is early stages of a Force Storm (Wormhole) in the making.

With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.


From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)

In another fight, Vaylin destroyed an entire well-armed contingent of the Knights of Zakuul all by herself:

With the rising flames, Senya finally witnessed the true carnage Vaylin had unleashed on the camp: dozens of Knights – bodies mutilated and mangled – had been tossed haphazardly amongst the scattered wreckage of ships and shuttles torn asunder. The full breadth of the slaughter sent a chill down her back; grim evidence of the horrors her daughter was capable of.


From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne: A Mother's Hope)

A lone Knight of Zakuul is on the level of a powerful Jedi Knight; the strongest are above many Jedi Masters in terms of strength and abilities.

It is virtually impossible for even the strongest of the Jedi and/or Sith to confront an entire contingent of Knights of Zakuul out in the open as they found out the hard way during the course of war with the Eternal Empire when its forces overran much of the known galaxy; Satale Shan and Darth Marr reiterated as much to the Outlander in a meeting.

In yet another fight, Vaylin utterly dominated and eliminated some of the strongest Knights of Zakuul all by herself:

The leader of the group admitted that he have never witnessed such level of power before.

As one of her first acts as empress, Vaylin violently purged the entire cadre of Zakuul knights charged with protecting her brother. She replaced them with an elite unit handpicked from the remaining ranks, and called her new regiment the "Horizon Guard."

BoD wrote:
That doesn't tell us much, only that Vaylin can ragdoll characters far below BoKOTFE HoT.

Citation needed.

They said they were stronger than the average Jedi and Sith, yeah. However, they couldn't beat the Eternal Empire because of their fleet, resources, overwhelming numbers and due to the Republic and Empire both being weakened by years of war. It's not as great an accolade as you think.

The Knights of Zakuul are at best slightly above the average Jedi and Sith. Dominating them is like the HoT carving his way through entire groups of nameless Sith.

The Horizon Guard was formed by Vaylin from the Knights of Zakuul (most of whom she killed), and as such is a very new group with very little overall experience of the top tier Force users:

All this means is that Vaylin >> the average Jedi, Sith, Knight of Zakuul or Horizon Guard, which is a very low bar.