Re: Darth Maul vs Darth Gravid

August 2nd 2019, 7:16 am

Gravid has Dooku + TK lol

August 2nd 2019, 5:06 pm

Gravid, this has gone too far. I summon DMB.

August 3rd 2019, 5:04 am

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:Gravid, this has gone too far. I summon DMB.

If he won't come for Thon vs Bane, he's not gonna show up here. Your summons are in vain.

August 3rd 2019, 5:41 am

Gravid. I warned DMB not to side with the Sheevites just for a broken quote but he didn't listen. Sheevites have Bane at literal trash tier.

August 3rd 2019, 11:48 am

Azronger wrote:

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:Gravid, this has gone too far. I summon DMB.

If he won't come for Thon vs Bane, he's not gonna show up here. Your summons are in vain.

Perhaps... perhaps not. (Though either way, don't expect anything from me today, I have an eight hour shift coming up)

LadyKulvax wrote:Gravid. I warned DMB not to side with the Sheevites just for a broken quote but he didn't listen. Sheevites have Bane at literal trash tier.

You presume my alignment in the TOR vs Sheevite conflict, there is none.

Sheevites have approached me numerous times asking for an alliance, but my rebuke was the same every time, "Why would I align with those who seek to place Bane above the TOR characters with one hand, while trying to make him scaling fodder for literally every asshole in the PT with the other?"

August 3rd 2019, 1:51 pm

Long time no see dmb, how have you been?

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August 4th 2019, 9:55 pm

Gravid

August 4th 2019, 11:06 pm

Gravid in a moderately good fight.

August 4th 2019, 11:18 pm

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Gravid in a moderately good fight.

August 5th 2019, 3:32 am

Maul ragdolls

August 6th 2019, 1:40 pm

I think that Bane doesn't die

But Gravid does

August 6th 2019, 3:31 pm

Gravid.

August 6th 2019, 7:32 pm

Kilius wrote:

And Bane accomplished this from an awkward position on the ground twenty meters down from his target with no focal point, a good portion of the impact would have been blunted by Kas'im's Force shield, and the rest still collapsed the entrance.

I don't care if he also woke up on the wrong side of the bed, forgot to stock up on shampoo the day before, and had a pebble in his shoes - the feat is worse than some of Maul's regular TK feats performed under duress, whereas this was done on a powerful DS nexus, so at best you can argue, without being able to quantify much, that DoE Bane can do marginally better. All Bane really did was destroy a small archway causing structural failure anyway.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:[size=17]Maul's barracks feat is better tbh.[/size]

The barracks feat is an involuntary display of power which we know can be reflective on one's potential not actual power they can unleash at will. He's never done anything close to that magnitude again even as of TCW. Zannah snapped the necks of two Jedi and disintegrated Darovit's hand at the age of nine as a neophyte but no one would claim those feats is reflective of her then-current ability to use the Force at will.

1. He was 15 and unaware he was receiving Sith training at the time... whatever scaling you believe Bane receives for his feats which go towards mitigating the immense nexus, it's trumped by the several documented power spikes Maul received after this point over the next 18 years.

2. Following from above, we have confirmed quotes stating that as it pertains to the generation/possession/application of power or combative ability, Maul was superior at certain points later on to himself during this barracks feat - even his regular expressions of power. Tearing down large buildings meant to house hundreds of beings is something Maul could do casually.

3. The barracks feat was to be a force scream, and as you diligently pointed out regarding Bane but for some reason neglected here, an omnidirectional, unfocused wave of energy isn't going to be nearly as effective as a focused blast into one point. A Force scream in particular would have its maximum force applied in any one point badly mitigated by this. Yet, it would have still been strong enough to destroy the supports of the building.

4. Nowhere was it actually said that because the feat is involuntary, that it means Maul could never muster the same power again, never did muster the same power again in any form or point of time, that it reflects his upper potential, and so on. That's pure conjecture on your part with nothing to show for it. You know what else was involuntary? When, at the age of 17, Maul expressed and felt inside of himself power far surpassing anything he had experienced prior when Sidious tricked him into thinking his death was imminent after being replaced as his Sith apprentice. Despite him nearly killing Sheev from the sheer rage this induced, it wouldn't be long before he "felt stronger than ever" and was reported at later stages to be more powerful than ever before.

All of this was sourced in my debate with skillz and other places. Why you thought it was prudent to wank one of Bane's shittest feats, made worse because it was on a nexus, and then selectively apply the laws of physics in a bid to lowball Maul's obviously far superior feat is unknown to me. But it was just the right level of stupid to pull me out of my hiatus. #attitudeproblem

August 6th 2019, 7:39 pm

@ILS good to see you

August 6th 2019, 7:41 pm

LSDMB wrote:

Azronger wrote:

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:Gravid, this has gone too far. I summon DMB.

If he won't come for Thon vs Bane, he's not gonna show up here. Your summons are in vain.

Perhaps... perhaps not. (Though either way, don't expect anything from me today, I have an eight hour shift coming up)

LadyKulvax wrote:Gravid. I warned DMB not to side with the Sheevites just for a broken quote but he didn't listen. Sheevites have Bane at literal trash tier.

You presume my alignment in the TOR vs Sheevite conflict, there is none.

Sheevites have approached me numerous times asking for an alliance, but my rebuke was the same every time, "Why would I align with those who seek to place Bane above the TOR characters with one hand, while trying to make him scaling fodder for literally every asshole in the PT with the other?"

Because Bane is going to be shit either way. So he can he either be completely shit, or just shit to the movie era. You chose completely shit. That's why Bane has cucked to every Maul+ level character and in many cases even worse than that in other eras like TOR.

August 6th 2019, 8:51 pm

ILS rAgDoLLiNg.

August 6th 2019, 9:46 pm

Leaning Maul, a bit unsure.

August 7th 2019, 1:30 am

ILS wrote:Why you thought it was prudent to wank one of Bane's shittest feats, made worse because it was on a nexus, and then selectively apply the laws of physics in a bid to lowball Maul's obviously far superior feat is unknown to me. But it was just the right level of stupid to pull me out of my hiatus. #attitudeproblem

If you actually followed the conversation you would have noticed I wasn't the one who brought up the temple feat nor at any point did I argue or even implied it was superior to Maul's Barracks feat. I only chimed in to clarify all the circumstances at work because people are acting like all the circumstances were positive in Bane's favor when in fact they weren't. I never bring up the temple feat when arguing for Bane anyways, I've always instead argued on the basis of his superior lightning feats, which are not only superior to Dooku's who in turn is at least on par with peak Maul in power, but the scaling chain I outlined proves that even a hindered DoE Bane is noticeably superior to a potent nexus amped PoD Bane, rendering the nexus argument moot.

All Bane really did was destroy a small archway causing structural failure anyway.

Path of Destruction wrote:The only entrance was a broad archway at the peak of an enormous staircase carved into an outside wall of the Temple itself.

Nowhere was it actually said that because the feat is involuntary, that it means Maul could never muster the same power again, never did muster the same power again in any form or point of time, that it reflects his upper potential, and so on. That's pure conjecture on your part with nothing to show for it. You know what else was involuntary? When, at the age of 17, Maul expressed and felt inside of himself power far surpassing anything he had experienced prior when Sidious tricked him into thinking his death was imminent after being replaced as his Sith apprentice. Despite him nearly killing Sheev from the sheer rage this induced, it wouldn't be long before he "felt stronger than ever" and was reported at later stages to be more powerful than ever before.

That's a fair point. I'll admit I overstated in implying TCW Maul couldn't replicate this. That said 15-year-old Maul can't do this at will, the scream induced by involuntary rage isn't indicative of his then-current power followed by upward growth no more than Zanna's counterexample, which is what I was trying to get at. Maybe Hypori Maul can, but that's beside the point.

See how much more productive things are you maintain a cool calm civil demeanor and just debate the point instead of trying to derail every thread with irrelevant melodrama?

The barracks feat was to be a force scream, and as you diligently pointed out regarding Bane but for some reason neglected here, an omnidirectional, unfocused wave of energy isn't going to be nearly as effective as a focused blast into one point. A Force scream in particular would have its maximum force applied in any one point badly mitigated by this. Yet, it would have still been strong enough to destroy the supports of the building.

Actually, I have the book on Kindle and nowhere does it imply he would have brought down anything other than the ceiling of the structure, much like Anakin was stated to have when he brought the ceiling of the doom with a Force scream in Luceno's other book LoE.

August 7th 2019, 1:45 am

See how much more productive things are you maintain a cool calm civil demeanor and just debate the point instead of trying to derail every thread with irrelevant melodrama?

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August 7th 2019, 4:42 am

@Killius: it plainly states "brought the barracks down around him". The Labyrinth of Evil quote reads: "or had Skywalker's voiced rage actually called the ceiling down?". It does go on to say "Assuming that he had grown powerful enough to have collapsed the dome", but that's with the prior statement that he brought the ceiling down. So no, you can't simply dismiss the feat as being about the ceiling when it's plainly stated the barracks in it's entirety would have been brought down with no ceiling mentioned.

As for the rest, the "broad" counter was a joke, yes? We're speaking in relative terms here. The archway was very small relative to this discussion. Not an impressive feat.

That's a fair point. I'll admit I overstated in implying TCW Maul couldn't replicate this. That said 15-year-old Maul can't do this at will, the scream induced by involuntary rage isn't indicative of his then-current power followed by upward growth no more than Zanna's counterexample, which is what I was trying to get at. Maybe Hypori Maul can, but that's beside the point.

No, the point you were trying to get at was the asinine idea that Maul couldn't do something during TCW he could do while 15 because, *gasp*, he cut his finger on a vibroblade and got weewy weewy angwy!

You specifically said: "The barracks feat is an involuntary display of power which we know can be reflective on one's potential not actual power they can unleash at will. He's never done anything close to that magnitude again even as of TCW."

Tell me, do you really think, as an expression of power, that Force scream was more impressive than nearly piercing Sidious' lightsaber defence, or surviving bisection through sheer force of will? Because pretty much every quote that talks about those feats and Maul's power progression as a whole wholeheartedly disagree with that idea. It's probably a good idea you backtracked on this but let's not pretend you were trying to get at something other than what you said.

August 7th 2019, 2:58 pm

the traitor has returned

November 13th 2019, 6:21 pm

Gravid wins. Banite scaling OP

November 13th 2019, 6:55 pm

Maul.

November 13th 2019, 8:43 pm

gravid is much, much better force user than he is. maul should win any physical fight, but force based ones, he loses. idk about all out, but leaning towards gravid

November 13th 2019, 8:59 pm

And Maul is a way worse Force user because?