(TPM) Darth Maul vs Depa Bilaba ( Shatterpoint)

Sabers only
All out

Maul stomps

Depa was an unstable, malnourished, emotional wreck by the time of Shatterpoint. Maul has every advantage and wins with only moderate difficulty.

Maul one shots. Depa is really bad.

As seen with Maul himself, exhaustion’s means nothing when rage amped to sufficient degree.

Even at her peak Depa loses.

Maul.

Maul.

Marth Daul

Maul stomps

depa billaba. the reason being, not even maul matched mace windu, right? being able to be defeated by young obi wan when he was but a padawan? windu trainded jedi master depa billaba as a living weapon, like maul. difference is not only was she somewhat passive and peaceful, she had high level force powers in tk, force sense, speed, valor, augmentation and immunity to pain and torture, she was also freaky fast and freaky strong, a book quote had her fighting windu with superior speed, strength and skill in vaapad.  so she was able to rival her former master, who was the best in his form and the second deadliest jedi. maul was an above average sith lord, but he wasn't a powerful, almost invincible sith lord nor was he the second most powerful one, by a long shot.
so billaba wins. i would even say she wins against kenobi in tcw to solidify my placing of her. she's plo koon and shaak ti-level, meaning she's secondary to yoda and mace, a top performer of the order.

@copper.warrioranalytics

Depa's fight with Mace was riddled with context.

Also what makes you think Ti and Koon are > Kenobi?

everything.. force power, force prowess. everything in tcw, ti's environmental control, kinetite, tk. plo's electric judgement, telepathy, environmental control, malacia. ANY QUESTIONS?

Depa genuinely wins via hype

@baratobhhaji thanks!

copper.warrioranalytics wrote:everything.. force power, force prowess. everything in tcw, ti's environmental control, kinetite, tk. plo's electric judgement, telepathy, environmental control, malacia. ANY QUESTIONS?

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This doesn't prove Ti and Koon are more powerful than Kenobi though. You're just stating a bunch of things which they can do with that power without acknowledging Kenobi can do basically all of those things himself.

What makes you think Ti and Koon are more powerful than Kenobi (e.g. accolades, feats etc)?

You know it’s a weird day when neither HP or DC have said “I’m exhausted” or “I’ll respond tomorrow if I remember”

Maul slices and dices.

I'll be exhausted by the end of the day, got a lot of shit to do.

Maul. Depa lasts longer than Jinn, but doesn’t perform as well.

Maul stomps with ease

@krayt dies, the fact ti and koon have more hype, koon being stated as one of the most powerful jedi ever in a source, being a tk savant, a telepath, a malacia user, a student in electric judgement and alter environment.. YOU may not see importance in stating force abilities, but it counts towards ways of winning a fight.
plo can mentally intrude kenobi and read his next moves with or without his knowledge to predict his swordplay, plo can employ dun moch mentally or verbally, plo can freeze a lake, create a freezing blizzard, turn an environment into a winter hell to offbalance kenobi.. plo can employ malacia simultaneously while fighting to make kenobi nauseous and incapacitated.. plo can summon lightning to fire kenobi's way in a strategic move when kenobi's focus is elsewhere.. plo can break kenobi's force barrier because his telekinesis is superior as is his knowledge of it.
and having single handedly defeated ventress with a broken arm, he is just better.. in feats, respect, abilities, skills in tcw era. plo held his own and almost cut down savage opress before he was momentarily distracted by a clone in danger.. kenobi later did the same yes but only when on the back foot and using rage and grief from his friend at the time having been killed by opress and using her lightsaber and his. i cover plo more extensively in vs matches with him and fisto if u want to read further.

shaak ti, was able to survive grievous while being utterly exhausted twice. kenobi almost died against him at full strength at least twice. ti's powers in speed, strength and duelling skills far outstrip anything kenobi can put out during tcw as does her force abilities. ti's revolutionary use of makashi and ataru on top of her acute needle n thread-refined telekinesis, kinetite, tutaminis.. her better, stronger physiology as a togruta, and force augmentation to make herself physically tougher still, higher energy reservoir, spherical spatial sensory awareness with her montrals, make her better suited for any duelling engagement. she has also survived alot of what kenobi has, blasts to the abdomen, electrostaff shocks, being trapped in electric shock cables being buried under ship debris. consider the fact that on top of all this, ti was made a master and council member years ahead of obi wan, because of her power, accomplishments and strategic wisdom.

the fact ti and koon have more hype,

Sources?

koon being stated as one of the most powerful jedi ever in a source

Source in question?

being a tk savant,

Koon can use TK? Yay.

a student in electric judgement and alter environment..

Great has he ever applied in a serious lightsaber duel? Such as against Ventress or Savage? No? Then who cares?

plo can mentally intrude kenobi and read his next moves with or without his knowledge to predict his swordplay

Didn't stop Ventress from kicking his broken arm or Savage from kicking him the face.

plo can employ dun moch mentally or verbally,

Never used it against Ventress or Koon.

, plo can freeze a lake,

They're going to be fighting on open water?

create a freezing blizzard,

Never used it against Ventess or Savage.

lo can employ malacia simultaneously while fighting to make kenobi nauseous and incapacitated..

Like he did against Ventress and Savage?

plo can summon lightning to fire kenobi's way in a strategic move when kenobi's focus is elsewhere

Like he did against Ventress and Savage?

can break kenobi's force barrier because his telekinesis is superior as is his knowledge of it.

Because he Force pushed Ventress? Season 1 Kenobi can do that.

and having single handedly defeated ventress with a broken arm,

Their fight was inconclusive and they both traded advantages. Koon Force pushed her and disarmed one of her blades. Ventress scored a kick to his broken arm and pushed him against the wall.

. plo held his own and almost cut down savage opress before he was momentarily distracted by a clone in danger

The trooper was behind Savage Koon's face was turned because he had been previously kicked and hadn't fully recovered.

kenobi later did the same yes but only when on the back foot and using rage and grief from his friend at the time having been killed by opress and using her lightsaber and his.

And facing Maul at the same time.

shaak ti, was able to survive grievous while being utterly exhausted twice.

LOL. First time she was stomped and would have died had Ki Adi not been around to occupy Grievous. Second time she was one-shot and Grievous left her alive to inform Mace what happened.

kenobi almost died against him at full strength at least twice.

Nah he beat him pretty convincingly. Not easily but much better than any of Ti's performances.

Not a fan or expert on TFU so I'll stop here.

@kilius you asked me what plo's and ti's powers and skills were that pushed them above kenobi and i gave them to you, no need to engage in this needless pedantry with me here. u can pm me or create a vs platform here with these topics.. or go read a respect thread and do your own homework. sources are there. just because they didn't use the force abilities all in the short duels we saw them in doesn't mean they cannot be used, they were powers stated they had, they were showcased in various comics, they count, they make them stand out from kenobi.

your responses to little excerpts of what i said are just a little ridiculous and frivolous, like they're supposed to mean something but they don't.. you're just saying "wrong", with some of your own cute baseless argumentative comments and that's about it. so yeah. i think stop here. its just pointless lowballing of characters and performance factors that you don't know enough about yet it seems. anyway, this isn't the place to indulge in this exchange, the thread is on billaba vs maul and we've deviated enough from that and taken up enough space.