TPM Kenobi vs ESB Luke

Luke without effort.

ESB Luke>>Ventress>>Fisto>>AOTC Kenobi>>TPM Kenobi.

Kenobi decimates.

@Meatpants Why?

We have this scaling:

ESB Luke>>Ventress>>Fisto>>AOTC Kenobi>>TPM Kenobi.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:@Meatpants Why?

We have this scaling:

ESB Luke>>Ventress>>Fisto>>AOTC Kenobi>>TPM Kenobi.

suggesting ESB luke is >>>> prime kit fisto is ridiculous even by your standards

>Ventress demolishes Fisto.
>The same Ventress is no threat to Vader.
>Luke gives Vader a good fight.

DG Conclusion: Fisto is above ESB Luke.

Bunk quote

Based on?

ESB Luke cleans house.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:>Ventress demolishes Fisto.
>The same Ventress is no threat to Vader.
>Luke gives Vader a good fight.

DG Conclusion: Fisto is above ESB Luke.

vader was testing and toying with luke .
he wanted to turn him .
if vader desired so and went all out he would have ended that fight in 10 seconds .
the moment vader goes serious luke loses his fighting arm .

prime kit fisto being able to react and parry 100% serious RoTS sidious strike > ESB luke getting beaten by toying ESB vader .

not going any further in this bait shejt .

@dark_globe:

vader was testing and toying with luke .

The notion that Vader was testing Luke doesn't invalidate Luke holding his own nor does it conflict with the idea Vader was giving it his all. As Vader himself notes Luke would be worse than useless if he couldn't at least keep pace. No proof Vader was toying either.

he wanted to turn him .

Which doesn't do anything other than preventing him from killing Luke. He clearly had no issue taking a limb or two.

if vader desired so and went all out he would have ended that fight in 10 seconds .

This is pure conjecture at its finest.

the moment vader goes serious luke loses his fighting arm .

Taking the moment where Vader wins and then saying without proof it was when he finally got serious is asinine. I can literally select any fight in the mythos and apply that logic and it wouldn't hold up any better than here.

not going any further in this bait shejt .

So, you acknowledge there's no logical grounds for your argument?

it was clear and obvious in the movie vader did not go all out against luke .
even less so as yoda was not going all out against dooku (the same way he was against sidious when disarming him or TK ragdoll him in his office)
therefore you can´t quantify the real gap between them
since it is obvious one is fighting for his life and the other is just toying / testing his opponents powers .
nor can you use this fight as a merit in any power scaling in comparison to other characters. you are just reaching here .

not to mention this whole thing is just bait .

Funny how people say Luke gave Vader a good fight in ESB based on the script. But completely ignore the script depiction of Vader vs Ben Kenobi (featured in the ANH novel) which has Vader winning the fight, and yet still claim that Ben Kenobi is>Vader based on early draft quotes.

@dark_globe:

it was clear and obvious in the movie vader did not go all out against luke .

Supplementary material elaborates on Vader's intent and should be taken over your groundless analysis of the choreography.

even less so as yoda was not going all out against dooku (the same way he was against sidious when disarming him or TK ragdoll him in his office)

What relevance do Yoda, Dooku or Sids have to this thread? None? Thought so.

therefore you can´t quantify the real gap between them

We absolutely can. Defer to my first post regarding an explanation of why Vader testing Luke is irrelevant.

since it is obvious one is fighting for his life and the other is just toying / testing his opponents powers .

Vader was still doing everything in his power to stop Luke, and had no issue taking limbs. Him testing Luke had minimal impact on his combative performance, and him toying is utterly unsubstantiated.

nor can you use this fight as a merit in any power scaling in comparison to other characters. you are just reaching here .

Did you think about the irony of this before you typed it?

not to mention this whole thing is just bait .

An argument I don't agree with comes along. Guess what, "it's just bait guys". Step into the real world bro, this isn't bait and you've provided nothing of substance to disprove it.

Based on what is Ventress no threat to Vader? Not saying it's not true, but is that based on a specific piece of evidence?

@The Ellimist Some quote from vehicles and starships. @Greysentinel365 has it IIRC.

Whichever one lowballs Vader more knowing this forum.

Kenobi