Thoughts on Sidious vs Maul and Savage fight?

Kilius wrote:A raged amped Maul gave Sidious a good fight. His demeanor went from playful and mocking as with the duo to deadly serious and he was clearly heavily strained in the last blade-lock so I don't see how anyone can argue Sidious was "toying" accept after he had Maul at his mercy.

Azronger wrote:I think Sidious ramping up his speed so much at the end indicates he never went all-out. The brothers gave an outstanding performance, though, as even that holding-back Sidious was exerting more effort than he had ever had when sparring with Maul previously, even when he blitzed Maul circa TPM.

Jake wrote:Obviously no brother can touch Sidious, but their performances were good, all things considered.

Jake wrote:

Kilius wrote:A raged amped Maul gave Sidious a good fight. His demeanor went from playful and mocking as with the duo to deadly serious and he was clearly heavily strained in the last blade-lock so I don't see how anyone can argue Sidious was "toying" except for after he had Maul at his mercy.

Flawless argumentation kilius. Nothing says ‘brilliant mind’ like coming to conclusions based on facial expressions as opposed to approved-canon statements.

Azronger wrote:I think Sidious ramping up his speed so much at the end indicates he never went all-out. The brothers gave an outstanding performance, though, as even that holding-back Sidious was exerting more effort than he had ever had when sparring with Maul previously, even when he blitzed Maul circa TPM.

Path of Destruction wrote:Bane barely had time to register her death before Llokay was on him. The red-skinned Zabrak was overmatched, but his grief and rage empowered him, and he drove his much larger opponent back with a brutal series of desperate slashes and strikes. Staggering back, Bane was almost too distracted to see Sirak unleashing a bolt of crackling blue lightning at him.

Kilius wrote:In all seriousness does anyone have a simple counter to my points? Because the evidence for Sidious toying with Maul in the final stand is about as threadbare as Mace being circumstantially amped against Sidious.

LOTL wrote:

Kilius wrote:In all seriousness does anyone have a simple counter to my points? Because the evidence for Sidious toying with Maul in the final stand is about as threadbare as Mace being circumstantially amped against Sidious.

Not really tbh

Kilius wrote:

Azronger wrote:I think Sidious ramping up his speed so much at the end indicates he never went all-out. The brothers gave an outstanding performance, though, as even that holding-back Sidious was exerting more effort than he had ever had when sparring with Maul previously, even when he blitzed Maul circa TPM.

SC makes the duo fight look much closer than the actual episode tbh. It's specifically noted Sidious zeroed on the tiniest slip-up in Maul and Savage's defense when he Force pushed the former. Whereas in the episode itself its apparent Sidious could dismiss either with the Force whenever it was convenient.

Also, SC's depiction of Maul's final stand has one key difference in that Maul doesn't appear to be rage-amped in the novel; just desperate. And as a result, he's beaten in a more one-sided fight.

Basically, if we accept feats from both versions in debates we can say Sidious can beat base Maul in a short one-sided fight, but Rage-Amped Maul can give Sidious pause and make him work for it.

Kilius wrote:In all seriousness does anyone have a simple counter to my points? Because the evidence for Sidious toying with Maul in the final stand is about as threadbare as Mace being circumstantially amped against Sidious.