Palpatine’s Apprentices vs RoTS Sidious

HeartoftheForce wrote:Dooku puts up a great fight. Vader gets handwaved and Maul gets blitzed.

BigMouthPrick wrote:Depends on team's synergy and environment, and casualties will be present. In a confined space like The Chancellor's Office, Sheev will be forced to fall-back on saber prowess as the distance will be closed quickly.

Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization wrote:An end, I must make. Yoda redoubled the speed of his blows. Palpatine parried one, then another — and then the red lightsaber spun out of his hands and over the edge. Yoda raised his weapon for the final blow.

Force lightning spat from the Emperor’s gray fingers, surrounding Yoda in a blue nimbus. But Yoda had faced Force lightning before. To deflect the first bolts, he had to stop his intended strike at the Emperor. Once his initial surprise was over, he reached out to the living Force. The lightning bent, arcing back toward the Emperor.

BigMouthPrick wrote:He can blast Vader with lightning or ragdoll Maul, but these two have proven themselves to be extremely durable and possessive of great endurance.

BigMouthPrick wrote:Dooku is more fragile, but he has the skill/knowledge to counter most of Sidious's force attacks. I could see Dooku drawing in Sidious's lightning while the other two go in close with sabers, for example.

BigMouthPrick wrote:The gap is much closer in sabers as all three could individually contend with Sidious for a not-so-insignificant amount of time.

Star Wars: Episode I Journal - Darth Maul wrote:Suddenly, my lightsaber is gone. It flies from my hand across the room. It lands in the hand of my Master.

I never see him enter. Not if he doesn't want me to.

The smile of triumph fades from my face.

"Do you think, " Lord Sidious says, walking toward me, "you can ever relax your guard?"

"No, Master. " What a clumsy, weak mistake. I should be prepared for him to enter at all times. How could I have forgotten that, even for a moment?

The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me.

Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.

I do not flinch.

At last, Lord Sidious deactivates my weapon. He tosses it toward me. The sweat on my palm almost causes me to drop it.

"Do not let me see you relax your guard again, " my Master says. His eyes burn. "You are valuable, yes. But you are not indispensable, Lord Maul. I can do without you."

A flick of his robe, and he is gone.

BigMouthPrick wrote:If their synergy is good, Sheev goes down unless he separates them (which is dependent on the environment).

Geistalt wrote:(because Maul and Savage were almost a half-worthy match for Sidious).

Seturna wrote:Would there be any difference if it’s SoD Maul instead?

The Slick Obi wrote:Is this Canon or Legends?

Canon: Team (D&M die Vader barely wins)

Legends: Sidious rather easily

Master Azronger wrote:Nah. Palpatine obliterates the whole squad.

Master Azronger wrote:

The Slick Obi wrote:Is this Canon or Legends?

Canon: Team (D&M die Vader barely wins)

Legends: Sidious rather easily

If the continuity isn't specified, the default assumption is Legends.

CuckedCurry wrote:Sheev hits them with the hand of god

@Geistalt wrote:TheSlickObi knows how it would go down.

BigMouthPrick also has the right general idea, except Dooku got choked across the holo easily by Sidious in TCW and Maul not only wouldn't be able to do anything Force-wise to Sidious, but is pretty much hopeless, almost a nonfactor.

Even in dueling, his speciality, he's rivaled by Dooku and Vader and utterly outmatched against Sidious 1-on-1. If you're a huge Maul fan, you could take the angle that the team beats Sidious with moderate difficulty if they engage him in dueling (because Maul and Savage were almost a half-worthy match for Sidious).

@Master Azronger wrote:Dooku isn't putting up a "great fight" against someone who's beyond IH Anakin that he lost in 12 seconds to. Add in lightning and he probably dies in 5 seconds.

@Master Azronger wrote:I don't see why this would be the case. The Podium he fought Yoda on was even more restrictive than his office yet it didn't stop him from abusing his lightning. If he's fast and skilled enough to interrupt Yoda's super speed frenzy mid-strike with lightning, he can deal with these three quite effortlessly.

@Master Azronger wrote:Vader died from Sheev's lightning in ROTJ while he was greatly amplified, and even normally, "wouldn't have stood a chance against the power emanating from his Master." Sheev in that scene was holding back to the point that he wasn't able to kill a defenseless, weakened Luke - practically the equivalent of a non-Force-user - so I'd be surprised if an all-out ROTS Sheev wouldn't utterly annihilate Vader with a single Force attack.

@Master Azronger wrote:Citation needed. If Yoda and an amplified Windu are helpless in the face of Sidious's lightning, then so is Dooku.

@Master Azronger wrote:Citation is very much needed. In TPM, Sidious was moving so fast that he was literally tracing the outline of Maul's body with his lightsaber and Maul couldn't perceive his moments at all - and an all-out ROTS Sidious is much faster. I'm not convinced of Dooku or Vader's ability to contend either.

@Master Azronger wrote:There is nothing Windu could do to save his comrades in the office, so I don't understand how the three potentially having good synergy is going to help them when their opponent is so much faster and so much more powerful.

Master Azronger wrote:Vader died from Sheev's lightning in ROTJ while he was greatly amplified, and even normally, "wouldn't have stood a chance against the power emanating from his Master." Sheev in that scene was holding back to the point that he wasn't able to kill a defenseless, weakened Luke - practically the equivalent of a non-Force-user - so I'd be surprised if an all-out ROTS Sheev wouldn't utterly annihilate Vader with a single Force attack.