Average PT Jedi Master vs Average Jedi TOR Master

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TOR > KotOR > PT

The prequel trilogy is rather universally, bar one quote, praised to be the Jedi's heyday. Whether that translates to better warriors on average, though, is up for debate. I don't recall any of them specifying that.

PT, probably. The TOR era specifically isn't full of very impressive Jedi.

Generally I tend not to draw distinctions between the fodder Jedi and Sith of each era.

Probably TOR, honestly. The Jedi of that day were trained as warriors against other Force-users, the PT-era Jedi were infamously not. I don't think there's any real power disparity between them, though.

If we're talking on average, sure. But the actual warriors of the PT era were certainly superior.

QuiGonDies wrote:If we're talking on average, sure. But the actual warriors of the PT era were certainly superior.

Well the OP did say "average".

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LSDMB wrote:Generally I tend not to draw distinctions between the fodder Jedi and Sith of each era.

love the avi, thats the son right? in his gargoyle form

Probably PT.

SithArchaeologist wrote:Probably TOR, honestly. The Jedi of that day were trained as warriors against other Force-users, the PT-era Jedi were infamously not. I don't think there's any real power disparity between them, though.

The prequel Jedi had actually been training to face the Sith on the battlefield should they one day re-emerge, which is why they were so woefully unequipped to deal with the surreptitious and deceitful nature of the Banite system:

In that lightning-speared tornado of feet and fists and blades and bashing machines, his vision finally pierced the darkness that had clouded the Force.

Finally, he saw the truth.

This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known …

just—

didn’t—

have it.

He’d never had it. He had lost before he started.

He had lost before he was born.

The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years’ intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves.

They had become new.

While the Jedi—

The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to re-fight the last war.

The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had become the dark’s own weapon?

He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him.

Revenge of the Sith novelization

So I don't think TOR gets any brownie points for living in war time.

Azronger wrote:The prequel trilogy is rather universally, bar one quote, praised to be the Jedi's heyday. Whether that translates to better warriors on average, though, is up for debate. I don't recall any of them specifying that.

The gamer magazine states that they are as powerful as they have ever been, so yeah, that likely does translate to force power

Not sure about being better combative warriors though that is implied heavily by the lore. When you think about the topic, it makes sense

-The Jedi have ramped up their training massively to the extent that now they train padawans to battle Sith Lords using projections that use choke, lightning, repulse and other Sith powers to ensure that they can combatively face them directly in battle. The simulacrum that was Desolous that caused trouble for early game Marek can be a perfect example of this. Training to that level would obviously ensure massive growth and every padawan had to undergo this trial.

-The Jedi have benefited from the light side growing more powerful throughout naturally increasing their connection to the force

-The Jedi have knowledge and experience from a 1000 years of continuous battle with the Sith. Never before in history had they been so continuously engaged in war and would have knowledge, experience and combative exposure that they never could get otherwise. True, they were worn out by the war and were weak during the Bane troligy but they had a 1000 years to recover and in this time, use that experience and exposure to push their training and combative experience to their limits by training their padawans to battle the Sith Lords( note that they likely would have used their knowledge about the Sith to enhance and create their projections), ensuring that they would reach their potential in a safe path but one that would push them to their limits nonetheless by the training. This in contrast to battles when most of their padawans and Jedi die or are injured, huge losses are incurred among numerous other hindering instances seems like the better way to achieve a Jedi's potential and produce better warriors on average.

The result is clearly seen in the Jedi that they produce. Obviously we don't get to see the average Jedi but seeing the best among the Jedi too would be enough since statistically it is more likely that the average Jedi too are better than the average Jedi in other eras in case the best are better than the best in other eras in terms of the force, note that this is excluding Anakin who is not a direct product of the Jedi Order

Yoda-Most powerful Jedi in history

Mace Windu-Yoda's peer

Obi Wan Kenobi-Can easily be argued to be on par with or better than TPM Mace, has the best speed feat in history by force augmentation

Jedi Dooku-Loosely comparable to TPM Mace

Jorus C'baoth-Vader tier, can smooth turbulence zones that range for light years and are caused by galactic masses

Others like Yarael Poof, Yaddle, Rivi Anu, etc. are Jedi that have shown outstanding power but are too obscure.

No other ancient era has even close to as many top tiers as the PT era in even the force, let alone all out combat. Among the 5 Jedi mentioned above, 2 have directly been stated to be the best in history, the next has an incredible showing on an extremely raw, basic and among the most widely in use application of the force that is canonically the best in history and is on par with earlier iterations of the second, the 4th too is loosely on par with the earlier iterations of the second, and the 5th is loosely comparable to Vader and has an ambiguous but likely incredible showing

Not to mention the enemies of the Jedi in this era, the most powerful Sith Lord in history( and his apprentices that can be argued to be in top 10/15 Sith in history), the best Jedi killers in history, and Sith disciples that put among the strongest of the Jedi exiles on Korriban to shame

Statistically speaking, it is easy to see why the Jedi are the best in this era and unless the standard deviation is too high, I have no reason to assume that the average Jedi has to be weaker than the average Jedi that is present in other eras in any aspect on combat

@LOTL

Scan from the Gamer magazine?

Too vague. There is a huge difference between: "this is the peak era for jedi" and "every jedi are more powerful than their counterpart "

This is the adventures magazine, not the gamer one.

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Good find.

Ziggy has your opinion changed since we last debated this issue?

impossible to determin what an average jedi of each era is and how powerful he is .
this is too vague .
but if we are talking "masters" PT has the edge for sure . since even lower PT masters were usually very skilled in lightsaber combat .


PT era certainly produced the best jedi in history .
RoTS kenobi could easily be a grandmaster of old jedi orders .
and RoTS yoda , RoTS anakin and RoTS windu are the most powerful jedi ever (before GM luke)
dooku si also very powerful even before he grow even more as a sith .
these 4-5 alone would solo entire jedi orders of the past .
not to mention solid tier 7s in PT roster such as TPM jinn , plo koon , kolar , fisto etc etc ...

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