TROS Sidious power?

Sorry for making so many threads lol

i remember seeing a tweet or something regarding Sidious' growth in power between ROTJ, beginning of TROS, and the end of it. I believe it said that his decaying body was weaker than ROTJ, put his amped body was more powerful or something. Could someone link it down below please? Thanks

In was some Matt Martin's tweet were he said that he thinks zombie Sheev was weakened compared to ROTJ/ROTS  Sheev iirc. But his tweets are not canon so dunno about this.
We also know from a ROS  novel leak that Palpatine's zombie body was a clone and it looked so deformed because his power was too great for a clone body, similar to Dark Empire in a way.

That is just...

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:Sorry for making so many threads lol

i remember seeing a tweet or something regarding Sidious' growth in power between ROTJ, beginning of TROS, and the end of it. I believe it said that his decaying body was weaker than ROTJ, put his amped body was more powerful or something. Could someone link it down below please? Thanks

RoS Palpatine's body was initially much weaker than his original body. Aside from the fact that it had to be sustained(and moved around) by machines, the leaked novel excerpt also confirms that it was breaking down as a result of his power.

His power in the Force, however, was still immense. We saw a glimpse of this when he overpowered #Dyad Rey+Ben with seemingly no effort at all(just before he absorbed their powers)... And that's aside from the TP convos he was having with Kylo under different guises for a number of years beforehand. I would also assume that he scaled above Snoke in this state.

Hard to say for sure what happened to Palpatine's body after absorbing Rey and Kylo, though I would imagine that he was brought back to his peak physicality. Just a 'taste' of their Dyad began healing him, and after the absorption he immediately came off the machines that were sustaining him.

BoD wrote:That is just...

Don't get me wrong, it's stupid as hell and was obviously plucked straight from DE.

However, Palpatine being a clone was already heavily implied in the film and VD...

The VD confirms that Palpatine(as we knew him) did in fact 'die' during RotJ, and implies that he was resurrected by the Sith loyalists through "a mixture of technology and the occult."

And in the film itself, Palpatine tells Kylo: "I have died before... The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."

And later on in the film, Beaumont Kin(who is recognized in the VD as an expert in the field of Sith occult) states: "Dark science...Cloning...Secrets only the Sith knew", upon learning of Palpatine's return.


So Palpatine being confirmed as a clone here is in-line with the info we already had. The novel just confirms it beyond all reasonable doubt.

Galan007 wrote:The VD confirms that Palpatine(as we knew him) did in fact 'die' during RotJ, and implies that he was resurrected by the Sith loyalists through "a mixture of technology and the occult."

That's honestly the most disgraceful part of all this.

I know it's true. I'm just laughing at how they managed to screw up an already terrible plot idea.

Azronger wrote:

Galan007 wrote:The VD confirms that Palpatine(as we knew him) did in fact 'die' during RotJ, and implies that he was resurrected by the Sith loyalists through "a mixture of technology and the occult."

That's honestly the most disgraceful part of all this.

It's all just a giant asspull.

Figured I may as well post this here...


Another leaked excerpt from the RoS novelization confirms how Palpatine survived the fall, and details the cloning process a bit:

"She will take her revenge", Palpatine boomed.

Rey continued to approach. His power was intoxicating. She found herself raising her weapon, almost against her will. If not for the other presence in her mind, bright and shining with light, she would not have been able to resist him.

"And with the stroke of her saber, the Sith are reborn! The Jedi are dead!"

Wave after wave of triumph emanated from him, and along with it came knowledge, memories. Maybe it was their shared blood that enabled her to see his thoughts, but somehow she could, and Rey saw it then, how he'd done it, what he was about to do again:

Falling...Falling...Falling... down a massive shaft, the betrayal sharp and stinging, a figure high above, black clad and helmeted and shrinking fast. His very own apprentice had turned against him, the way he himself had turned against Plagueis...whose secret to immortality he had stolen.

Plagueis had not acted fast enough in his own moment of death. But Sidious, sensing the flickering light in his apprentice, had been ready for years. So the falling, dying Emperor called on all the dark power of the Force to thrust his consciousness far, far away to a secret place he had been preparing. His body was dead, an empty vessel, long before it found the bottom of the reactor shaft, and his mind jolted to new awareness in a new body--a painful one, a temporary one.

It was too soon. The secret place had not completed its preparations. The transfer was imperfect, and the cloned body wasn't enough. Perhaps Plagueis was having the last laugh after all. Maybe his secret remained secret. Because Palpatine was trapped in a broken, dying form.

The heretics of the Sith Eternal toiled, splicing genes, bolstering tissue, creating unnatural abominations in the hope that one of these strandcasts would succeed and become a worthy receptacle. The heretics would do anything, risk anything, sacrifice anything, to create a cradle for their god-consciousness. Nothing worked, but their efforts were not entirely in vain.

Rey's vision shifted. It was Luke, sitting cross-legged on the island of Ahch-To, trembling with effort as he projected himself onto the battlefield of Crait... And yet another flash. This time of Leia in her jungle corridors, giving everything she had to send a final thought to Ben... They were all manifestations of the same power, and now Rey would use it her own way. She lifted her saber as if to strike...

So it's literally DE where sheev just sends his spirit across the galaxy via wormhole essence transfer. Wow disney

Galan007 wrote:Figured I may as well post this here...


Another leaked excerpt from the RoS novelization confirms how Palpatine survived the fall, and details the cloning process a bit:

"She will take her revenge", Palpatine boomed.

Rey continued to approach. His power was intoxicating. She found herself raising her weapon, almost against her will. If not for the other presence in her mind, bright and shining with light, she would not have been able to resist him.

"And with the stroke of her saber, the Sith are reborn! The Jedi are dead!"

Wave after wave of triumph emanated from him, and along with it came knowledge, memories. Maybe it was their shared blood that enabled her to see his thoughts, but somehow she could, and Rey saw it then, how he'd done it, what he was about to do again:

Falling...Falling...Falling... down a massive shaft, the betrayal sharp and stinging, a figure high above, black clad and helmeted and shrinking fast. His very own apprentice had turned against him, the way he himself had turned against Plagueis...whose secret to immortality he had stolen.

Plagueis had not acted fast enough in his own moment of death. But Sidious, sensing the flickering light in his apprentice, had been ready for years. So the falling, dying Emperor called on all the dark power of the Force to thrust his consciousness far, far away to a secret place he had been preparing. His body was dead, an empty vessel, long before it found the bottom of the reactor shaft, and his mind jolted to new awareness in a new body--a painful one, a temporary one.

It was too soon. The secret place had not completed its preparations. The transfer was imperfect, and the cloned body wasn't enough. Perhaps Plagueis was having the last laugh after all. Maybe his secret remained secret. Because Palpatine was trapped in a broken, dying form.

The heretics of the Sith Eternal toiled, splicing genes, bolstering tissue, creating unnatural abominations in the hope that one of these strandcasts would succeed and become a worthy receptacle. The heretics would do anything, risk anything, sacrifice anything, to create a cradle for their god-consciousness. Nothing worked, but their efforts were not entirely in vain.

Rey's vision shifted. It was Luke, sitting cross-legged on the island of Ahch-To, trembling with effort as he projected himself onto the battlefield of Crait... And yet another flash. This time of Leia in her jungle corridors, giving everything she had to send a final thought to Ben... They were all manifestations of the same power, and now Rey would use it her own way. She lifted her saber as if to strike...

"Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be." - Kathleen Kennedy

BoD wrote:I know it's true. I'm just laughing at how they managed to screw up an already terrible plot idea.

NaNI ? 

dark empire is great im personally think bringing sidious back on that storyline was a cool idea however the ending sucked ass

Azronger wrote:

Galan007 wrote:Figured I may as well post this here...


Another leaked excerpt from the RoS novelization confirms how Palpatine survived the fall, and details the cloning process a bit:

"She will take her revenge", Palpatine boomed.

Rey continued to approach. His power was intoxicating. She found herself raising her weapon, almost against her will. If not for the other presence in her mind, bright and shining with light, she would not have been able to resist him.

"And with the stroke of her saber, the Sith are reborn! The Jedi are dead!"

Wave after wave of triumph emanated from him, and along with it came knowledge, memories. Maybe it was their shared blood that enabled her to see his thoughts, but somehow she could, and Rey saw it then, how he'd done it, what he was about to do again:

Falling...Falling...Falling... down a massive shaft, the betrayal sharp and stinging, a figure high above, black clad and helmeted and shrinking fast. His very own apprentice had turned against him, the way he himself had turned against Plagueis...whose secret to immortality he had stolen.

Plagueis had not acted fast enough in his own moment of death. But Sidious, sensing the flickering light in his apprentice, had been ready for years. So the falling, dying Emperor called on all the dark power of the Force to thrust his consciousness far, far away to a secret place he had been preparing. His body was dead, an empty vessel, long before it found the bottom of the reactor shaft, and his mind jolted to new awareness in a new body--a painful one, a temporary one.

It was too soon. The secret place had not completed its preparations. The transfer was imperfect, and the cloned body wasn't enough. Perhaps Plagueis was having the last laugh after all. Maybe his secret remained secret. Because Palpatine was trapped in a broken, dying form.

The heretics of the Sith Eternal toiled, splicing genes, bolstering tissue, creating unnatural abominations in the hope that one of these strandcasts would succeed and become a worthy receptacle. The heretics would do anything, risk anything, sacrifice anything, to create a cradle for their god-consciousness. Nothing worked, but their efforts were not entirely in vain.

Rey's vision shifted. It was Luke, sitting cross-legged on the island of Ahch-To, trembling with effort as he projected himself onto the battlefield of Crait... And yet another flash. This time of Leia in her jungle corridors, giving everything she had to send a final thought to Ben... They were all manifestations of the same power, and now Rey would use it her own way. She lifted her saber as if to strike...

"Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be." - Kathleen Kennedy

basically secret place: legends being byss/canon being exegol 

cloned body remains the same 

So... we can tell the sequel trilogy was a bad copypasted dark empire?

The implication that that Luke's Projection ability is a variation of Palpatine's essence/consciousness/spirit transfer is pretty interesting, imo.

Azronger wrote:

I'm just gonna take all the lighting fixtures down now so that we don't find you hanging from one later, ok?

...Rey called Sidious' lightning beautiful as it killed her friends and allies? 

10/10 writing.

Also interesting Ren claims Sidious > Luke (or at least what he's seen Luke do).

BoD wrote:...Rey called Sidious' lightning beautiful as it killed her friends and allies? 

10/10 writing.

the directors: 


the fans: 

"It was an Ommin harness,"

Ommin canonized?