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- IGLevel Four
Re: Mara Jade (prime) vs Darth Vader
March 1st 2020, 1:55 pm
ISV, that case was good lol.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Mara Jade (prime) vs Darth Vader
March 1st 2020, 1:57 pm
I suppose a quote mentioning she has raw power > Kyp Durron isn’t enough substantiation of growth?
Quote?
If that were true, she wouldn't have needed cheap tricks or several advantages to beat LOTF Jacen, nor would she have admitted he was too powerful for him and he wouldn't have also suggested this:
"Meanwhile, Mara was challenging him…. Thinking she was still an A-list assassin and thinking she could take someone who had complete mastery of the Force. She was a superb assassin, but her Force skills were crude compared to his own.”
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“Fine. If I can get him in a confined space, he can’t use all his Force skills, but I can make the most of what I’ve got. She decided to make her way into the maze of buried passages and get Jacen to follow her.”
She’s pretty much > all of NJO bar Luke and Caedus as a combatant tbh.
Combat skills don't translate to raw power.
- The Fallen WarriorLevel Four
Re: Mara Jade (prime) vs Darth Vader
March 1st 2020, 1:58 pm
- IGLevel Four
Re: Mara Jade (prime) vs Darth Vader
March 1st 2020, 2:00 pm
@BoD Mara is described as “Luke Skywalker’s most powerful ally”. Logically that includes Kyp Durron as it’s in the YVW, where he has his dovin basal shit. It’s entirely possible that Mid-Lotf Jacen has raw power in excess of mid-NJO Kyp too. You’ve also not substantiated why Vader > Sacrifice Jacen. Consider also that Mara literally nearly killed Jacen before he used an illusion to stun her and stab her with a poisoned dart.
- BreakofDawnLevel Seven
Re: Mara Jade (prime) vs Darth Vader
March 1st 2020, 2:03 pm
Mara is described as “Luke Skywalker’s most powerful ally”. Logically that includes Kyp Durron as it’s in the YVW, where he has his dovin basal shit.
I'd like the source, if it's all the same to you.
You’ve also not substantiated why Vader > Sacrifice Jacen.
Strawman argument. I wasn't arguing Vader > Sacrifice Jacen.
Consider also that Mara literally nearly killed Jacen before he used an illusion to stun her and stab her with a poisoned dart.
Which I contextualised here:
- Spoiler:
before losing in a close fight to an injured Jacen Solo:
Key word: injured. How injured?
“Crack. His right knee exploded with blinding pain as Mara cannoned out horizontally, Force assisted, from a side conduit and caught his leg on the side with her boots, ripping the tendons….Mara dropped to the muddy floor to dodge the lightsaber, then sprang up and sprinted away down the tunnel.”
Ripped tendons in his knee.
“He deflected the energy bolt with one last surge with the Force and sent the rubble erupting off his crushed and bleeding body like a detonation….He was hurt, and badly.”
Crushed by rubble, describing himself as "badly" hurt.
“He needed space to fight…This wasn’t a duel, it was a brawl…He couldn’t draw the weapons he needed. He was losing blood, losing strength, waning, flailing his lightsaber to fend her off.
Jacen is barely standing, losing blood fast, and at a fraction of his full strength.
It was almost useless in such a close quarters struggle.”
Unlike Mara, he's also hampered by his weapon. While she's using a vibroblade and shoto, he's stuck using an ill-suited weapon in his lightsaber.
So you're using Mara Jade - who's confirmed to be far inferior to pre-prime Vader - nearly defeating a heavily injured, bloodied Jacen with an ill-suited weapon and a ruined knee (massively hampering his mobility) alongside questionable scaling (Mara > Jerec ~ Vader) and power growth (none of which proves she ever even approached Vader in power). You're then using Kyle's performance against a more powerful Jacen to produce a flawed and convoluted scaling that puts Vader below Mara who in turn is below Kyle.
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