The Infinite Empire Vs. The Sith Empire Vs. The Eternal Empire Vs. The Galactic Empire

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

Without the major leaders (Valkorion, Krayt, Sidious, etc), this comes down to pure tactics, tech, and numbers. I'll say the GE, but the EE makes them work insanely hard for it.

Zenwolf wrote:

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

The morale boost for Thrawn was through Joruus's battlemeditation

Cheth wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

The morale boost for Thrawn was through Joruus's battlemeditation

 Are you positive on that? I recall he only wanted that used in a limited fashion, not completely so. But even disregarding that, the Imps were still doing ok later on. Still I don’t think the OP intended for this to be a factor, just not wanting any ridiculous Force use.

Zenwolf wrote:

Cheth wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

The morale boost for Thrawn was through Joruus's battlemeditation

 Are you positive on that? I recall he only wanted that used in a limited fashion, not completely so. But even disregarding that, the Imps were still doing ok later on. Still I don’t think the OP intended for this to be a factor, just not wanting any ridiculous Force use.

The difference is that Sidious wanted to control his forces fully (per Thrawn), and Thrawn wanted joruus mainly to boost morale and give a quicker way to relay commands and such. So Joruus used a less direct BM, but that is what caused his forces to function again (Joruus upped the effectiveness of the Chimera by 40%)

Cheth wrote:

The difference is that Sidious wanted to control his forces fully (per Thrawn), and Thrawn wanted joruus mainly to boost morale and give a quicker way to relay commands and such. So Joruus used a less direct BM, but that is what caused his forces to function again (Joruus upped the effectiveness of the Chimera by 40%)

I recall the effectiveness, but not the morale, figuring it was just because Thrawn was doing so well against the NR compared to others, that morale boosted naturally.

But even so, I'm not sure the whole "Palps isn't here, so the Empire is in shambles!" shtick is in play here. I mean really, so long as they get an effective leader like Thrawn or Paelleon, they should be ok. I mean it's not like the Imperials were completely inept when Palps died, they were just selfish and even then they did form alliances when needed. The whole thing with Palps is completely overblown, yeah it was a huge factor in the collapse of the Empire, but as soon as the Imps got a good/effective leader, they were a great force.

Anyhow this is getting off topic I guess we can ask @The Slick Obi if he intends for all that to be in play here. I doubt it since this is the Empire at its height, so it wouldn't make sense for it to happen, but I guess clarification is needed.

I was simply trying to avoid comments like "wormholes, gg" or "Vitiate wipes out planets". Essentially this a pure military might vs military might battle.

The Slick Obi wrote:I was simply trying to avoid comments like "wormholes, gg" or "Vitiate wipes out planets". Essentially this a pure military might vs military might battle.

Alright, that's what I figured.

GE by miles 

eclipse and the two death stars gigastomp

The lord of hunger wrote:GE by miles 

eclipse and the two death stars gigastomp

Not sure the Empire would have both DS here and the Eclipse doesn't get finished till after Endor.

Zenwolf wrote:

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

The soldiers at Endor were completely reliant on his psychic guidance. It wasn't merely battle meditation; it was mental domination on such a deep level that its subjects couldn't even function properly after the Emperor died - Thrawn made this distinction clear enough. Other sources have since then come out and said that the Emperor's dark side influence was pervasive over the whole Empire and was in effect the glue that kept it from disintegrating; without it, the Empire couldn't function. This is the reason that they lost 75% of control of the galaxy to a military whom they outnumbered over ten-to-one in just five years until Thrawn returned from his expedition into the Unknown Regions.

Azronger wrote:

Zenwolf wrote:

Azronger wrote:Just occurred to me that without the Emperor, the Galactic Empire's personnel would be insanely handicapped. It may not be as one-sided as I believed given that stipulation.

 
Why would they be? It was only initially after his death that the Empire spiraled into chaos but that could also have a number more factors including what happened. Because even without the Emperor, Thrawn was able to boost morale among Imperial forces back to pre-Battle of Endor levels. 
 
That and later on after the Imperials seemed to do well without the Emperor, it was just at that moment when he died everything spiraled downward. 

 If the Emperor isn’t here at all from the start I’m sure they won’t have that problem.

The soldiers at Endor were completely reliant on his psychic guidance. It wasn't merely battle meditation; it was mental domination on such a deep level that its subjects couldn't even function properly after the Emperor died - Thrawn made this distinction clear enough. Other sources have since then come out and said that the Emperor's dark side influence was pervasive over the whole Empire and was in effect the glue that kept it from disintegrating; without it, the Empire couldn't function. This is the reason that they lost 75% of control of the galaxy to a military whom they outnumbered over ten-to-one in just five years until Thrawn returned from his expedition into the Unknown Regions.

 
Right, but once everything settled the Imps weren’t like that, they got their stuff together and worked together. But the OP clarified that this isn’t in play here, so the Empire is fine.