Savage Opress vs TPM Yoda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcsrxcHZz6s

Yoda "easily" breaks through a combat-ready Asajj's defenses and rips her lightsabers out of her hands. He also "holds her motionless with the Force." It's an uber stomp.

The context behind Koon beating Yoda in a duel is unknown, but we do know he's unable to even strike a an unarmed Yoda. When stronger Jedi fight weaker Jedi, they will incumber themselves with self-imposed limitations to make the fight equal. We see this with Fisto versus Kenobi. The same likely happened with Yoda here.

DarthAnt66 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcsrxcHZz6s

Yoda "easily" breaks through a combat-ready Asajj's defenses and rips her lightsabers out of her hands. He also "holds her motionless with the Fore." It's an uber stomp.

You said AotC Yoda, not TCW Yoda. Post-AotC, Ventress is said to be able to give a great fight to Yoda.

The context behind Koon beating Yoda in a duel is unknown, but we do know he's unable to even strike a an unarmed Yoda. When stronger Jedi fight weaker Jedi, they will incumber themselves with self-imposed limitations to make the fight equal. We see this with Fisto versus Kenobi. The same likely happened with Yoda here.

Perhaps. I won't press on this point further since the context is nebulous. However, TPM Yoda beating TPM Koon does not in itself mean AotC Yoda would defeat AotC Koon. I need more evidence there.

TPM Obi-Wan also defeated Mace in a game. The same Mace is apparently Ventress level, who's apparently far above TPM Maul level. Not seeing how that argument works.

He also defeated Koon too, actually.

BoD wrote:TPM Obi-Wan also defeated Mace in a game. The same Mace is apparently Ventress level, who's apparently far above TPM Maul level. Not seeing how that argument works.

He also defeated Koon too, actually.

Plus, that same Mace is only slightly more skilled than Qui-Gon, who in turn is less skilled than TPM Maul

I like how a demonstration on technique is being equated to a full scale spar lmfao

This also proves that TPM Kenobi is above Yoda btw

Cool. TPM Maul > TPM Kenobi > TPM Yoda 

Yoda couldn't even lift like 5 tons of munter rocks lmfaooooo its obvious RotS Yoda can take infinite TPM Yodas

ILS wrote:Yoda couldn't even lift like 5 tons of munter rocks lmfaooooo its obvious RotS Yoda can take infinite TPM Yodas

Muuntur Stones were explicitly about control, not power.

Proof?

Oh and if Ventress is far more powerful than TPM Maul, explain her failure of speed blitzing S4 Maul, who in turn is a rusty TPM Maul with a pair of legs he's not had time to adapt his lightsaber technique.

Because she only had one lightsaber cutting her speed by 50%, plus she kind of did blitz Maul by landing a kick to the face

Everyone is just undergoing mega growth - Kenobi style - imo.

Ventress having only one lightsaber is not nearly as disadvantageous as Maul being out of practise for 12 years and having no prior opportunity to learn how to adapt to his cybernetic legs to his lightsaber technique. When I said speed blitz I meant how Sidious killed Agen Kolar with one strike.

Who wins?

Wtf is this


Yoda solos

you can fit about 20 outer rim sieges between TPM Yoda and OCW Ventress

@Azronger: What is the exact quote in question?

It seems we have two options here.

(1) Believe that, within less than half a year, Asajj grew to be comparable with AOTC Yoda/Dooku. Then, within even less a time, Yoda grew to be able to one-shot AOTC Yoda. The ramifications of this permeate to all characters. Anyone near S1 Asajj is near AOTC Yoda/Dooku. Anyone near S1 Dooku stomp AOTC Yoda/Dooku.

(2) Take the"challenge for any Jedi" quotes as uniquely hyperbolic (similar to "X has unparalleled skill," with X being, like, Saesee Tiin) and uniquely generic (magna-guards, Grievous, Jaina, many others have the same accolade) and/or as simply contradicted by the characters having to secretly multiply in powers within weeks for it to work.

Yet, I still suspect you'll favor option (1). This is where we part ways, though. The flaw of a hyperliteral interpretation of quotes is that we ever got into this discussion at all.

Edit: Contradictions also arise by TPM Maul being below AOTC Yoda, per many Insider quotes that he's a greater fighter than anything we've seen before.

Azronger wrote:I'd favor Opress, personally. Yoda at this stage is still likely inferior to Ventress per both accolades and feats.

I don't buy this at all. There is nothing suggesting Yoda grows between TPM-AotC. The idea of Ventress beating any version of Yoda seems unlikely and does not have any decent foundations to support it.

^ Ah shit, here we go again.

Is this thread real, or am I just that drunk?

You're drunk, we are all your inner demons in your subconscious.

He can ragdoll one but two beat him

DarthAnt66 wrote:@Azronger: What is the exact quote in question?

It seems we have two options here.

(1) Believe that, within less than half a year, Asajj grew to be comparable with AOTC Yoda/Dooku. Then, within even less a time, Yoda grew to be able to one-shot AOTC Yoda. The ramifications of this permeate to all characters. Anyone near S1 Asajj is near AOTC Yoda/Dooku. Anyone near S1 Dooku stomp AOTC Yoda/Dooku.

(2) Take the"challenge for any Jedi" quotes as uniquely hyperbolic (similar to "X has unparalleled skill," with X being, like, Saesee Tiin) and uniquely generic (magna-guards, Grievous, Jaina, many others have the same accolade) and/or as simply contradicted by the characters having to secretly multiply in powers within weeks for it to work.

Yet, I still suspect you'll favor option (1). This is where we part ways, though. The flaw of a hyperliteral interpretation of quotes is that we ever got into this discussion at all.

Edit: Contradictions also arise by TPM Maul being below AOTC Yoda, per many Insider quotes that he's a greater fighter than anything we've seen before.

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Additionally, we know that Ventress pushed Mace to need all his skills the first time they met. And the second time, he was sweating in bladelocks with her while she was smiling and seemed to be at ease, indicating she had grown more powerful than him. Even if not, she clearly wasn't far off him. And as you know, Windu has quotes that put him as a peer of TPM Yoda (and AotC Yoda, as you have claimed), occasionally he was the best dueling in the Order in the Clone Wars, so this is another indicator of Ventress being in the ballpark of early iterations of Yoda.







In case you're incredulous, well...









There are others too but you get the point. It's possible that the first quote I posted about her matching Yoda and Anakin combined may come after the TCW episode where Yoda immobilizes her. This way we wouldn't have to assume Yoda grew a ragdoll gap within a few months, and we could point to a concrete example of her growing prowess to rationalize Sidious's fear of her. Her respective fights with Mace also fit in and reinforce this interpretation.

Ventress ragdolling lol