Malak vs. Vader

ROTJ Vader, Explain.

Malak after stonewalling and ragdolling him:

Vader has Malak beat in pretty much everything relevant to combat.

Malak pretty solidly. He scales above Kun who's feats either rival or surpass Vader's.

I will make a simple argument. Dooku is the greatest Makashi user in the history of galaxy. Malak has also been stated to be a Makashi practitioner. Vader's skills with sabers are comparable to Dooku plus he has a form advantage against Makashi with his insane strength. I don't see Malak blocking a single strike from someone as fast and skilled as Vader. When it comes to Force, Malak doesn't have anything that Vader could not defend against.

HellfireUnit wrote:Malak has also been stated to be a Makashi practitioner. 

I know you didn't know this, but that's a fake image. Here's the real one: 

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/153148909635_/Star-Wars-Miniatures-KOTOR-13-60-Darth-Malak-Dark.jpg

malak got nothing on dooku
he is trash in sabers compared to best RoTS duelists and he is not powerful enough to ragdoll dooku at will

That would be relevant if Vader and Dooku were comparable.

StrangerThingsFan77 wrote:That would be relevant if Vader and Dooku were comparable.

yeah sorry i misread the original post .
RoTJ vader wins as well , he is comparable to dooku .
i have them as pretty much equals both in force and sabers .

Base Malak doesn't have enough to suggest he can win. SF Malak has this though.

@HellfireUnit I thought Malak was a Juyo user. More importantly it should be noted that Vader was equally matched against old ben Kenobi in their duel. Kenobi noted the presence of rust in his dueling abilities after only a few months into his exile. So Ben's saber skills have likely atrophied to a considerable degree by the time of his duel with Vader on the DS. Meaning your argument that Vader shows parity with Dooku in sabers in invalid. I find it hilarious that you would think Malak would get blitzed by someone whom's force feats are on Exar Kun's level, a person Malak is said to possess far greater force power than. So your argument that Vader is superior in sabers via his supposed parity with Dooku is invalid and your assertion that Vader would speed blitz Malak is also unjustifiable since Malak has greater power in the force, which would lead to superior augmentation.

I will make another case, as you wish.

Vader flattens this pretender

dark_globe wrote:

StrangerThingsFan77 wrote:That would be relevant if Vader and Dooku were comparable.

yeah sorry i misread the original post .
RoTJ vader wins as well , he is comparable to dooku .
i have them as pretty much equals both in force and sabers .

Care to substantiate this?

DarthAnt66 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Malak has also been stated to be a Makashi practitioner. 

I know you didn't know this, but that's a fake image. Here's the real one: 

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/153148909635_/Star-Wars-Miniatures-KOTOR-13-60-Darth-Malak-Dark.jpg

Thanks a lot Ant, sorry for spreading misinfo.

dark_globe wrote:yeah sorry i misread the original post .
RoTJ vader wins as well , he is comparable to dooku a horrifically out of practice Ben Kenobi
i have them as pretty much equals both in force and sabers .

Fixed for you.

That’s fine, Malak was beaten by Jarael

Vader definitely
Not seeing why SF Malak is so impressive

He is stated to be far more powerful than Exar Kun. Kun's feats are right on Vader's level. You can make the connection from there.

KingofBlades wrote:

dark_globe wrote:yeah sorry i misread the original post .
RoTJ vader wins as well , he is comparable to dooku a horrifically out of practice Ben Kenobi
i have them as pretty much equals both in force and sabers .

Fixed for you.

Let him have his opinion. On what basis is ROTJ Vader comparable to Ben Kenobi? Especially since he grew more powerful since ANH

KingofBlades wrote:He is stated to be far more powerful than Exar Kun. Kun's feats are right on Vader's level. You can make the connection from there.

He is far more powerful than Exar Kun yet while amped by the Star Forge, he lost to a vastly pre prime Revan who had just finished going through armies of dark jedi and sith

I was speaking specifically in terms of sabers skills. In force power Ben was above Vader per Lucas so Vader growing in power doesn't mean much unless you can prove he bridged and surpassed the gap by RotJ

SithSauce wrote:

KingofBlades wrote:He is stated to be far more powerful than Exar Kun. Kun's feats are right on Vader's level. You can make the connection from there.

He is far more powerful than Exar Kun yet while amped by the Star Forge, he lost to a vastly pre prime Revan who had just finished going through armies of dark jedi and sith

That's a good feat for Revan, not an anti feat for Malak.

Probably Vader.

KingofBlades wrote:

dark_globe wrote:yeah sorry i misread the original post .
RoTJ vader wins as well , he is comparable to dooku a horrifically out of practice Ben Kenobi
i have them as pretty much equals both in force and sabers .

Fixed for you.

i don´t need you to fix anything for me .
first of all you are talking about pre prime ANH vader not RoTJ here
second vader was always sort of "underperforming" against kenobi .
his fights with RoTS kenobi and ANH ben are not showing his peak abilities by any stretch of imagination .
in ANH he did not want to make the same mistake twice and fought with caution , not giving ben any opportunities by silly moves .

what feats does standard not amped malak have to suggest he could beat vader level opponents ?!
he is vastly inferior in sabers thats for sure and he lacks any significant edge in force department as well .