Darth Nihilus (KOTOR II) vs Darth Bane (Dynasty of Evil)

*Force drain disabled for Nihilus in Round 1, All out fight

*Round 2 All out fight

Fight takes place aboard the Ravager.

Nihilus both rounds

Nihilus, mismatch.

Nihilus.

Bane stomps first round. Bane also wins second round if he is capable of countering his drain.

Not a mismatch at all, but Nihilus does win.

R1, Nihilus stomps.
R2. Mismatch

Nihilus's feats are light years above Bane's. How is this not a mismatch?

Nihilus without his drain is trash. There is no way he is winning against Bane in R1.

For R2, I don't see Bane losing to Nihilus even when his drain is enabled. Nihilus never drained a Bane level combatant, whose knowledge also far surpasses Nihilus. Even IF Nihilus could drain Bane, the latter is not going to sit his ass down. Nihilus' Force applications on combat is poor and someone as powerful and skilled as Bane should crush the unskilled Sith Lord.

Bane is bullshit via Banite scaling... Nihilus being able to easily ragdoll Visas and Meetra while holding the Ravager together, as well as ripping the Ravager out of Malachor, while being in space, and the Ravager is buried is far superior to Bane's bullshit. Via scaling, the likes of Serra Keto and Bultar Swan can beat Bane, and Neither could even touch Nihilus. Being able to shit on Sion >>> losing to Bultar Swan.

R1 bane wins
R2 nihilus

dark_globe wrote:R1 bane wins
R2 nihilus

Why?

I can see Bane taking Nihilus in the first round, yeah. 

He can close the gap with superior speed and wreck in CQC

Deronn_Solo wrote:I can see Bane taking Nihilus in the first round, yeah. 

He can close the gap with superior speed and wreck in CQC

Why?

Nihilus is considerably more powerful than Bane, but it's conceivable that Bane could close the distance with his speed and beat him in close quarters.

The Ellimist wrote:Nihilus is considerably more powerful than Bane, but it's conceivable that Bane could close the distance with his speed and beat him in close quarters.

Why is Nihilus more powerful then Bane? Does Nihilus' position as a spirit effect Bane's ability to close the distance and beat him?

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:Why is Nihilus more powerful then Bane?

He has far better feats. Nihilus's feats like planet-draining are essentially what Bane was talking about when he wondered whether the ancient sith were more powerful than him and could therefore build holocrons while he couldn't (the second part turned out to be false, but that's besides the point).

Does Nihilus' position as a spirit effect Bane's ability to close the distance and beat him?

Why would it?

He has far better feats. Nihilus's feats like planet-draining are essentially what Bane was talking about when he wondered whether the ancient sith were more powerful than him and could therefore build holocrons while he couldn't (the second part turned out to be false, but that's besides the point).

Thanks for the clarification.

Why would it?

Some people may equate being a spirit to intangibility, I was curious if you agreed with them. 

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:

Deronn_Solo wrote:I can see Bane taking Nihilus in the first round, yeah. 

He can close the gap with superior speed and wreck in CQC

Why?

After scanning through Path of Destruction, I've gone up on Bane by a pretty significant amount. His vast superiority to Kaan while being off-peak, leads me to believe he isn't too far behind in power at all.

I don't see Nihilus ragdolling, and the Lord of Hunger, honestly wouldn't last very long in a duel against someone of Bane's skill and physical caliber.

Deronn_Solo wrote:

DarthSkywalker0 wrote:

Deronn_Solo wrote:I can see Bane taking Nihilus in the first round, yeah. 

He can close the gap with superior speed and wreck in CQC

Why?

After scanning through Path of Destruction, I've gone up on Bane by a pretty significant amount. His vast superiority to Kaan while being off-peak, leads me to believe he isn't too far behind in power at all.

I don't see Nihilus ragdolling, and the Lord of Hunger, honestly wouldn't last very long in a duel against someone of Bane's skill and physical caliber.

Why would his vast superiority to Kaan + power growth lend him power on par with the Lord of Hunger?

I think people have a skewed opinion on Kaan because the way he was portrayed: a stubborn fool who's Sith doctrines was utter tripe - pure folley  to the fresh, and frankly vastly superior philosophy Bane ushered in.

Setting cognitive bias aside - the dude could change the tide of wars with BM, and mentally command 2,000 canonically strong minded Sith Lords simultaneously--if this feat was done, by, say a Revan, or Vader-- we'd never hear the end of it. Couple that with the fact that Kaan was stated trained and honed all his skills evenly; meaning, his telepthic/mental fortitude, isn't some anomaly when compared to the rest of his powers, therefore making  his strength in telekinesis and such parallel his mental dexterity. The kicker here is, Bane was far more powerful then Kaan as little more than a neophyte dark lord, and Bane's power should have grown exponentially throughout the trilogy.

I don't see someone packing that sort of scaling trailing behind Nihilus to the extent they could be ragdolled or demolished at all.

Setting cognitive bias aside - the dude could change the tide of wars with BM, and mentally command 2,000 canonically strong minded Sith Lords simultaneously--if this feat was done, by, say a Revan, or Vader-- we'd never hear the end of it. Couple that with the fact that Kaan was stated trained and honed all his skills evenly; meaning, his telepthic/mental fortitude, isn't some anomaly when compared to the rest of his powers, therefore making  his strength in telekinesis and such parallel his mental dexterity. The kicker here is, Bane was far more powerful then Kaan as little more than a neophyte dark lord, and Bane's power should have grown exponentially throughout the trilogy.

Well, we know specific force users have proclivities in certain abilities, would this not apply to Kaan? Why would the word "hone" mean he is equally proficient in every ability(Wouldn't that mean he practices evenly?) How does this feat compare to Nihilus? Do you take mediums into account?

I think it's implied that Kaan's TP is disproportionate to his other abilities given that he knew he would stand no chance against Bane in the Force or lightsabers but was confident he could TP him.

That being said, it's still a pretty insane feat and enough for Bane's high scaling over him to be worth quite a bit. I still don't see evidence that Bane is on the level of a guy who eats planets though.

@LSDMB you may wanna check this matchup mate

HellfireUnit wrote:Nihilus without his drain is trash. There is no way he is winning against Bane in R1.

Without his drain, he is still capable of telekinetically holding the Ravager, a 1200-meter-long capital ship, together and prevent it from falling apart. He also instantly incapacitated the Exile, Visas Marr, and Mandalore, with a gesture, without drain. He's far from "trash" even if we disable his drain.