Ven Zallow, Darth Malgus, Satele Shan & Kao Cen Darach vs the B-team

Rules


Perfect teamwork for all.
Prime versions for all. Satele is as of Hope, Malgus as of Deceived.
Start 10 metres apart.
Fight to the death.

Which team wins?

Is Mace included?

Going to assume no Mace because then it gets mismatchy

Kao gets oneshot.

Ven can have a semi decent fight with one of them

Malgus can have a semi decent fight with one of them

Satele is much the same.

B team takes it.

Fisto’s Shii-Cho and Tiin’s tk would cause havoc in this scenario. Kolar’s saber mastery allows him to decisively best anyone on the opposing team. All-in-all B-team wreck

Team TOR quite comfortably.

I'm also curious to see how Hope Satele is comparable to Deceived Malgus, when Hope Malgus wrecked her.

I'll hesitantly back the B-Team.

HellfireUnit wrote:Is Mace included?

No. If I did people would say the B-team stomps or he solos.

Tbh peak Kit solos if they charge at him in sabers

There isn't that much growth between Hope and Deceived Malgus as shown here

So Satele should be comparable to him.

I think Satele's battle meditation will prove very useful here which could give them the edge.

Praxis wrote:I think Satele's battle meditation will prove very useful here which could give them the edge.

Considering the TOR team is 4 and B-Team is 3, it could be a logical choice. Though she'd be vulnerable and Saesee could probably send her flying across the next building.

B-Team.

@Greysentinel365

No offense but your analysis is mostly cherry-picking, except for the dropship part that's outright wrong.

1 - The dropship/support freighter had enhanced engines, per Zerrid's account. The ship also had to use the full power of it's thrusters to escape Malgus tk grasp, as it's said the engine's started to whine. These ships can accelerate at dozens and even hundreds of G's per sourcebooks - not even taking in consideration the modified engines, and it can be seen by Arcann and Thexan's shuttle during the KOFE trailer. The fact Malgus managed to slow the ascent actually proves he beat the engine's acceleration power per basic physics. So, when the engines started to whine, Malgus was likely holding back dozens, if not hundreds of times the weight of the ship. 
If you want to make a rough comparison, the residual power of pre-Deceived Malgus' force scream was capable of /overloading/ the fuells cells of an entire "wave" of starfighters and blow them up. 

2 - The aldeeranian buildings were large enough to produce a "mountain" of rubble with only the section that fell upon Malgus. Malgus was in the middle of the streets, so for the section of the buildings from either side of the street to produce a "mountain" of rubble worth of the description, it should be reasonably tall. You also sneakily tried to change the "several" to "few" tons in your analysis. "Several" is not only coloquially used to qualify things to be more than "few" but it can also be used to qualify "parcels of a whole". In the latter case, Malgus could as well be holding back the majority of weight of the buildings.

3 - It's estabilished by the narrator that Malgus can kill the Jedi in many ways he decides to. The fact Malgus disengages because he /correctly/ senses something odd after some flurries doesn't contradict it. 

4 - Your attempt to pass the Jedi above as someone capable of stalemating Malgus is laughable, to say the minimum, considering a heavily injured Malgus (one that you've yet to estabilish to be rage amped) overpowered his lightsaber defense and tore black holes in his body with lightning, after he ragdolled the other one. Meanwhile, AotC Obi Wan deflected Dooku's just fine...and the gap between them was enormous.

5 - We know Aryn was capable of augmenting her speed to a point Zerrid couldn't even discern her true location inside his own ship - and she was just operating computers. Hell, she was capable to react faster than any system inside the ship. We also know she's capable of augmenting her perception to a point where she can see the relativistic distortion of the hyperspace jump in super slow motion. As such, to say their speed is absolutely capped at what Zerrid saw during their duel is not accurate as there are others aspects of augmentation that might've been favored by the combatants.

B-team wins

TenebrousWay

B-team without question.

Fisto solos

without mace they have no chance of taking this .
LOL at fisto or anyone else soloing this team .

satele could stop a lightsaber strike with tutaminis and her TK is also quite impressive .
so no non of them is capable and strong enough to send her "flying" i would argue she might be able to TK kolar .
this is also 4v3 fight .
malgus and satele are MVPs other two members of team one might die in the process .
fisto is a best here in sabers but he needs better teammates to be able to win this .
both malgus and satele use their force powers in duels which will be a key factor here .
darach is also good in using the force and TK mid duel .

Modifying the engine would not change the size of the ship in any dramatic way. If it did it would be mentioned. It's not like he's bolting massive jets to the side of it. The Falcon also had modified engines and it could outwardly pass as any other YT.

Secondly, the ship he's flying isn't modified it's a random Firefly they found in a hanger bay. It's not Zeerid's ship.

Thirdly (And I cannot believe that years later people still F up this scene) Malgus never stopped those engines. Read the scene again.

Malgus rushed through the large double doors and into the landing bay. Vrath Xizor’s ship, Razor, rose on its thrusters toward the open roof doors. Two Imperial shuttles sat idle on the landing pad.
 
“Eleena!” he shouted, hating himself for his vulnerability but unable to contain the shout.
 
He reached out with the Force as Razor continued its rise, tried to take it in his mental grasp. Its ascent slowed. He held forth both of his arms, made claws of his hands, and shouted with frustration as he sought to hold back the power of the ship’s thrusters.
 
He felt a tightness in his mind, the string of his power being drawn taut, stretching, stretching. He would not release the ship. Its thrusters began to whine. He held it, teeth gritted, sweat soaking his body, his breath a dry rattle through his respirator.
 
And then the string snapped and the ship flew free, lifting clear of the roof doors.

- Deceived 

In the vertical landing bay Malgus only stopped it's vertical rise towards the roof. So the Malgus never contended with the power of the main engines. They were never fired. Likewise a rising ship in SW is not an example of speed. Example.



Wow that's a slow rise isn't it?

So no Malgus never contended with dozens or even hundreds of times the weight of the ship, that, judging by the information we're given on it's size is only about 15m long. Not that impressive is it?

Likewise playing the wording game doens't help you here. It's specifcally stated that Malgus is only holding up "several" tons and since you love definitions
Several (determiner & pronoun): More than two but not many.
So Malgus is holding more than two but not many tons.


Which isn't very impressive is it?


You next point is failing, again to read the actual text. As Malgus makes his "kill in many ways comment" before he realized the Jedi was deliberately being submissive to bait him.


Your next point is just nonsense and a false equivalency. Despite him trying to kill him it's established that the Jedi can always stay ahead on Malgus. 


And this charming point

overpowered his lightsaber defense and tore black holes in his body with lightning, after he ragdolled the other one. Meanwhile, AotC Obi Wan deflected Dooku's just fine...and the gap between them was enormous.

Well let's see Obi-Wan raises his lightsaber to block Dooku's attack


 Meanwhile the Zabrak does this

At 10 meters, Malgus extended his free hand and loosed veins of blue Force lightning. They struck the charging Jedi: swept through his defenses, swirled around him, and began to burn flesh.
 
Shouting with pain, the Jedi leaned forward into the lightning - teeth bare, blue blades held before him - and staggered toward Malgus. Despite his burns, he came onward. One step, another, another, but he was failing, wilting in the heat of the lightning. Malgus channeled more power and the Jedi fell to his knees, screaming. The lightning spiraled around the Zabrak, blasting dark holes in his body. The lightsabers fell from his hands and he writhed in agony, screaming his pain into the sky.


- Third Lesson

He takes a direct hit from the lightning first. With only his passive barrier to defend him and thus is injured severely. Lightning breaching passive barriers is hardly impressive due to the nature of the attack. Then the Jedi raises his blades and walks forward. But is already injured and cannot maintain his concentration and therefore the lightning goes through. Malgus having to amp things up to get past a distressed, partially burned Zabraks defenses is hardly something to be proud of. Also this example does prove he's amped. In fact we have a one for one comparison to prove it.


Oh man, no burnt flesh or holes through his body. It's almost like Malgus was amped

Lastly Aryn achieved her speeds on the ship in a deep state of concentration by funneling all her power into it. Which she isn't doing during a fight. It's stated that she and Malgus were only blur speed. Because they are.

B-team stomps.

Grey ragdolling.