Darth Zannah vs Darth Nox

Peak (non-Outlander) Nox vs DoE Zannah.

1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All Out

Zannah stomps all rounds.

The Force round should go to Nox. The lightsabers round could go either way: without his Outlander feats it's quite hard to gauge Nox's capabilities here, but Zannah isn't exactly the best duellist, so neither of them has a definite and solid majority in my opinion. Given the calibre of opponent each of them has faced, I'd hesitantly say that Nox should have more duelling experience, but the suggestion that he engaged in a lot of pure lightsaber combat isn't exactly grounded in canon. The all-out, based on Nox's Force superiority and the aforementioned ambiguity in duelling, probably goes to Nox.

Yavin!Nox is no-selling Zannah's TP, has better feats with the Force and is almost unkillable.

Nox, solidly, if not easily. One-shotting Thanaton pre-prime puts him out of Zannah's league.

SithArchaeologist wrote:Nox, solidly, if not easily. One-shotting Thanaton pre-prime puts him out of Zannah's league.

What's Thanaton's best feat?

Azronger wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:Nox, solidly, if not easily. One-shotting Thanaton pre-prime puts him out of Zannah's league.

What's Thanaton's best feat?

20-ish years pre-prime he one-shotted a Terentatek. Around the same time he built a football field-long bridge out of ship debris while shielding himself from the vacuum of space, and held in place as he walked it. Prime Thanaton scales well above the spirit of Aloysius Kallig, who was able to telepathically dominate hundreds of workers, soldiers, and Sith.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

Azronger wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:Nox, solidly, if not easily. One-shotting Thanaton pre-prime puts him out of Zannah's league.

What's Thanaton's best feat?

20-ish years pre-prime he one-shotted a Terentatek.

He killed it by funnelling lightning through his lightsaber directly into its brain - not exactly "one-shotting a Terentatek" as we'd normally define it. Pretty sure brain death would down almost anything.

Around the same time he built a football field-long bridge out of ship debris while shielding himself from the vacuum of space, and held in place as he walked it.

If he was in the vacuum of space, he wouldn't have to hold it in place as the gravity there isn't strong enough to move the detritus out of the bridge formation. Not impressed.

Prime Thanaton scales well above the spirit of Aloysius Kallig, who was able to telepathically dominate hundreds of workers, soldiers, and Sith.

You neglect to mention Kallig's efforts were aided by the very energies of the Dark Temple itself. And beyond that, what's the proof of there being "hundreds" of people there, or that Kallig "dominated" them all at once instead of breaking their minds one by one?



Moreover, how far above Kallig does Thanaton even scale, and by virtue of what?

I've got an exam in the morning, I'll get back to you after that.

SithArchaeologist wrote:I've got an exam in the morning, I'll get back to you after that.

Good luck.

Nox.

SithArchaeologist wrote:Prime Thanaton scales well above the spirit of Aloysius Kallig, who was able to telepathically dominate hundreds of workers, soldiers, and Sith.

Yeah that's not really helpful here. Zannah also scales vastly above people with similar feats. POD Bane scales solidly above Kaan who telepathically dominated several hundred Sith at once during the thought bomb ritual, and summoned 20,000 Sith Lords from across the Galaxy with an element of telepathic persuasion. POD Bane also scales above Sith twins who telepathically dominated the population of a planet.

DOE Zannah scales rather wildly above POD Bane, so that's not really good reasoning you're using on that one.

LSDMB wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:Prime Thanaton scales well above the spirit of Aloysius Kallig, who was able to telepathically dominate hundreds of workers, soldiers, and Sith.

Yeah that's not really helpful here. Zannah also scales vastly above people with similar feats. POD Bane scales solidly above Kaan who telepathically dominated several hundred Sith at once during the thought bomb ritual, and summoned 20,000 Sith Lords from across the Galaxy with an element of telepathic persuasion. POD Bane also scales above Sith twins who telepathically dominated the population of a planet.

DOE Zannah scales rather wildly above POD Bane, so that's not really good reasoning you're using on that one.

Kaan did at one point dominate 4 000 Sith Lords too, half of which were "highly mentally trained" and "so skilled it physical-mental combat." Even though PoD Bane doesn't directly scale off of that feat due to Kaan's disproportionate aptitude for mind hax, his willpower was still stalwart enough to shrug it off. Zannah, on the other hand, was able to drive a much more powerful Bane to his knees with her psychic sorcery, so she does get direct scaling above Kaan's telepathy feats.

Nox no-sold the Dread Masters, Zannah isn't even close to that level of TP.

Zannah.

Darth Nox ragdolls Darth Zannah like he did to Thanaton.

Nox takes this. Good fight though.

Nox.

Nox... even Thanaton could beat Zannah.

Arguments for Nox, please?

@Azronger same that for Bane vs Baras. Wait and I could provide something

Anyone besides xolthol willing to step up to the stage?

Teneb Kel's actually a beast, he took on Exal Kressh who is one of the most powerful Children of the Emperor there is and she's obviously stronger than the more average of their number. One of which tanked Act II Barsen'thor's Force attack and then ragdolled him with Force lightning. Thanaton is obviously vastly more powerful. In his prime he was so powerful that he was 'supreme' on the Dark Council and Marr didn't believe the day would ever come that Thanaton was downed.

But obviously, Nox weathered his full potency and annihilated him. Nox as of Yavin is years of constant war and growth more powerful. So strong that the Dread Masters consider Nox to be strong enough to join their number and replace Styrak. Yet Nox gets a lot more powerful after that point and is the prophesied hier of Rakatan immortality.

LadyKulvax wrote:Teneb Kel's actually a beast, he took on Exal Kressh who is one of the most powerful Children of the Emperor there is and she's obviously stronger than the more average of their number. One of which tanked Act II Barsen'thor's Force attack and then ragdolled him with Force lightning. Thanaton is obviously vastly more powerful. In his prime he was so powerful that he was 'supreme' on the Dark Council and Marr didn't believe the day would ever come that Thanaton was downed.
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Thanaton loose to Exal kresh. No proof of him being above Vitiate ex-apprentice

I never said he won...