Darth Vader vs Darth Zannah

Sabers only
All out

Zannah.

Vader

Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

MasterCilghal wrote:Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

Why wouldn't she?

Vader win the saber 
All out can go either way

LSDMB wrote:

MasterCilghal wrote:Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

Why wouldn't she?

Unleashing devastating spells requires time and high concentration. Do you think Zannah would be fast enough to accomplish this in a heated duel?

LSDMB wrote:

MasterCilghal wrote:Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

Why wouldn't she?

It takes time to concentrate in order to use them

Zannah. Vader is a better swordsman, but her illusions can and will wreak all kinds of havoc on Vader.

It only took time in her last duel with Bane because she wanted to hit him with her spell at full power. After she tripped and expended all her gathered energy in the desperate scramble to defend her self she launched a weaker spell instantly before Bane could do anything about it and with a broken rib no less. 

Grey will probably pull the "inate barrier" card at some point as if a barrier that repels basic mind-probing is the same as blocking weaponised sorcery meant to shred active Force defenses. But all a moot point since Vader has the willpower feats to fight it off anyways. Everyone knows how I feel about the difference in power portrayal between OT Vader and Purge Vader so I'll leave it at here.

the hell guys. Vader's willpower is above Bane's he can win even if she attemps Mind rape

Zannah flings herself into a wall. Vader steps on her while she’s down.

Vader wins solidly

Leaning Vader

which vader is this ?

-KF vader roflstomps .
-RoTJ vader wins with little effort .
-ANH vader wins after a decent fight .

-RoTJ vader wins with little effort .

This gave me a good laugh.

Either way.

NotAA3 wrote:

-RoTJ vader wins with little effort .

This gave me a good laugh.

OK . so tell me what exactly is she gonna do in this fight ?
sorcery won´t help her in the middle of a fight against vader .
she is significantly inferior in sabers and she can´t blitz or ragdoll someone like vader either , in fact vader has superior TK .

she didn´t do anything impressive to suggests she could win against an opponent of this caliber .

@dark_globe

OK . so tell me what exactly is she gonna do in this fight ?
sorcery won´t help her in the middle of a fight against vader .
she is significantly inferior in sabers and she can´t blitz or ragdoll someone like vader either , in fact vader has superior TK .

she didn´t do anything impressive to suggests she could win against an opponent of this caliber .

Why don't you try proving any of these things rather than just acting like all of these statements: "sorcery won't help her in the middle of a fight against Vader," "she is significantly inferior in sabers," "in fact Vader has superior TK," are true. Anyway, even if this were true this doesn't prove she can't make Vader struggle for his victory just that he's got her beat in almost all areas so his win is going to be decisive.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:

SithSauce wrote:

LSDMB wrote:

MasterCilghal wrote:Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

Why wouldn't she?

Unleashing devastating spells requires time and high concentration. Do you think Zannah would be fast enough to accomplish this in a heated duel?

MasterCilghal wrote:

LSDMB wrote:

MasterCilghal wrote:Vader, unless Zannah menages to use her spells.

Why wouldn't she?

It takes time to concentrate in order to use them

I see this myth has perpetuated, I thought I killed it long ago, no matter.

The only time Zannah was shown to be incapable of using her sorcery in a heated duel was against an amped Sarro Xaj in Rule of Two.
Now there are three things to consider with that.
1. That was ROT Zannah, when she still required weird fingerplay to fire off her spells (which she doesn't as of DOE), literally halfway through her training, and as of DOE she's advanced much further in the Force.
2. All she required at that time was a brief glance in the other direction on Sarro's part.
3. Zannah started her 1v1 with Sarro Xaj literally backed into a corner with no room to retreat to give her breathing room. On more neutral ground she could step backwards to alleviate the offensive pressure in order to secure breathing room, or she could just leap backwards. Doing either of those things would give even ROT Zannah the brief instant she would need to use her sorcery.

As for her final fight with Bane, it took her time specifically because she was deliberately gathering power at a slow enough rate so Bane wouldn't sense it, so he wouldn't know her attack was coming. This is important because unlike Vader, Bane knows Zannah, he knows about her mental fuckery and has specifically studied it in order to know what to expect. The same circumstance doesn't hold for Vader so Zannah doesn't need to be all coy about this shit.

Hopefully this fake news that she can't pull off her sorcery in a heated duel will die here.

Flunky Cyborg wrote:the hell guys. Vader's willpower is above Bane's

I don't necessarily buy this, but let's assume Vader's willpower is comparable to Bane's for the sake of things. There are a few points to consider.

1. Bane was almost overcome by Zannah's sorcery.

2. Even with roughly similar willpower to Bane's, the cards are more stacked against Vader against Zannah's sorcery than they were against Bane.
2A. Bane was familiar with her sorcery, he studied it, he knew what to expect. Vader will be caught much more off guard by Zannah's attack than Bane was.
2B. Bane has conquered his demons. By contrast Vader is a very self-loathing person whose entire shtick is that he's controlled by his fear (his fear of losing Padme turned him to the dark side, his fear of losing Luke redeemed him from the dark side), not to mention he inadvertently killed his waifu.
Bane had a fucked up childhood that he moved on from. Vader has been consistently controlled by his fear at the most pivotal parts of his life and reduced by the consequences of his decisions into a state of self-loathing. Zannah's sorcery against Bane conjured shit related to Bane's father and dead miners and shit, against Vader it's going to dredge up his wife that he killed and fucking Palpatine LMFAO. Palpatine who has basically had his hand up Vader's ass working him like a puppet since he was nine and whose power Vader is terrified of.

3. Zannah's mental fuckery continues to increase in potency the longer the spell goes on
3A. As of Rule of Two without putting any additional energy into her spells their mental effects continued to increase in potency the longer they went on
3B. Zannah's sorcery as of DOE is much more advanced
3C. Zannah was pouring more and more energy into her sorcery in her final duel with Bane
Ergo, the longer Vader is under Zannah's spell, the more difficult it will be to overcome.

So returning back to the first point, even if Bane and Vader have comparable willpower, based on their characters and emotional states, what Zannah's sorcery will dredge up against Vader will be significantly more emotionally psychologically challenging to deal with than the shit she dredged up against Bane. And unlike Bane, Vader won't be expecting this shit at all. Additionally, this doesn't just mean Vader's challenge increases linearly, the difficulty actually exponentiates, because the longer Zannah's spells take effect the more intense their effects become.

Being faced with Zannah's sorcery isn't something I expect to turn out well for Vader.

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