Galen and Vaylin vs Outlander and Revan

Given the Rogue Shadow is shown to be engulfed by the explosion and Galen's intent was to save the love of his life and the fledgling rebellion, it would not have made sense for him to have released a blast of energy powerful enough to have overwhelmed the Rogue Shadow's shields meaning it's likely he scaled back the power of the blast or spread the energy he released over a wider area in order to keep from overwhelming its shields.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

Given the Rogue Shadow is shown to be engulfed by the explosion and Galen's intent was to save the love of his life and the fledgling rebellion, it would not have made sense for him to have released a blast of energy powerful enough to have overwhelmed the Rogue Shadow's shields meaning it's likely he scaled back the power of the blast or spread the energy he released over a wider area in order to keep from overwhelming its shields.

Or Marek concentrated the blast of power in his immediate vicinity (i.e. Palpatine), and the remnant energy was sufficient in killing a few stormtroopers.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

Given the Rogue Shadow is shown to be engulfed by the explosion and Galen's intent was to save the love of his life and the fledgling rebellion, it would not have made sense for him to have released a blast of energy powerful enough to have overwhelmed the Rogue Shadow's shields meaning it's likely he scaled back the power of the blast or spread the energy he released over a wider area in order to keep from overwhelming its shields.

Or Marek concentrated the blast of power in his immediate vicinity (i.e. Palpatine), and the remnant energy was sufficient in killing a few stormtroopers.

DarthAnt66 wrote:Why couldn't he have been lowering his Force defenses so he could devote his full power into the explosion?

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:Why couldn't he have been lowering his Force defenses so he could devote his full power into the explosion?

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

If you're asking why he didn't send just enough energy towards the Rogue Shadow so that it wouldn't overwhelm its shields but so that it would kill the stormtroopers and then focus the rest of the energy in Sidious's direction I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno. Otherwise, why not simply maintain his shields and release the blast simultaneously?

I.E. His inability/unwillingness to divert energy to more then two tasks is the same reason he likely wouldn't be modulating the blast's power again different opponents.

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno.

DarthAnt66 wrote:@Syndiciate

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

That wouldn't risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels if he concentrated his attack in his immediate vicinity.

I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno.

Or because he lowered his Force defenses so he could devote is full power into the explosion. 

Your logic is getting stuck in a loop. Your defend your second point with your first point, but you defend your first point with your second point.

But him lowering his defenses in the first place makes that unlikely imo. 

Or is it that you're suggesting he COULD HAVE maintained his defenses but INSTEAD chose to control the potency of the blast in an effort to destroy Sidious and simply didn't have the power to do it?

DarthAnt66 wrote:

But him lowering his defenses in the first place makes that unlikely imo. 

OK, maybe, but why? And don't say it's because "he didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno," because that gets you stuck in that nasty circular-loop again.

Or is it that you're suggesting he COULD HAVE maintained his defenses but INSTEAD chose to control the potency of the blast in an effort to destroy Sidious and simply didn't have the power to do it?

Starkiller dropped his defenses so every iota of his power could be directed to destroying Palpatine and the stormtroopers, if that's what you're asking.

If that's the case, I'd say I find that unlikely for the simple reason that he'd already experienced Sidious's power firsthand prior to that and would've known if he had the power to overwhelm him or not. 

Not only that, but if Galen truly was far more powerful then he was prior to him facing off against Sidious, then it would have been more logical to spend just enough energy towards neutralizing the stormtroopers and using the rest to shield himself against his own blast and Sidious's continued attack.

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:

But him lowering his defenses in the first place makes that unlikely imo. 

OK, maybe, but why? And don't say it's because "he didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno," because that gets you stuck in that nasty circular-loop again.

Or is it that you're suggesting he COULD HAVE maintained his defenses but INSTEAD chose to control the potency of the blast in an effort to destroy Sidious and simply didn't have the power to do it?

Starkiller dropped his defenses so every iota of his power could be directed to destroying Palpatine and the stormtroopers, if that's what you're asking.

Because, lowering his defenses wouldn't make sense UNLESS he did it for one of the 3 reasons I listed in an earlier post: 

1. Galen was not thinking logically about the usage of the energy at his disposal in this moment. 

2. Galen did not have the time/ability to focus on multiple effective usages of his power simultaneously. 

3. Galen was diverting his entire focus towards preventing the Imperials from gunning down Juno and the Rebels. 

KingofBlades wrote:

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:Why couldn't he have been lowering his Force defenses so he could devote his full power into the explosion?

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

If you're asking why he didn't send just enough energy towards the Rogue Shadow so that it wouldn't overwhelm its shields but so that it would kill the stormtroopers and then focus the rest of the energy in Sidious's direction I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno. Otherwise, why not simply maintain his shields and release the blast simultaneously?

I.E. His inability/unwillingness to divert energy to more then two tasks is the same reason he likely wouldn't be modulating the blast's power again different opponents.

Or he lowered his defenses to maximize his offensive capabilities. Seriously the idea that oneness Marek used the majority of his power on a group of stormtroopers is ridiculous. Its the equivalent of nuking an ant. Just because he's worried about Juno doesn't mean he's suddenly unable to gauge how much power is needed to kill some stormtroopers.

Why lower his defenses at all though if he's got energy to spare? It simply makes him a glass cannon that Sidious would now be able to overcome with his lightning.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

If that's the case, I'd say I find that unlikely for the simple reason that he'd already experienced Sidious's power firsthand prior to that and would've known if he had the power to overwhelm him or not. 

Starkiller doesn't know what dumping "all the power of the Force within him" onto Palpatine would do, nor the full depths of Palpatine's power.

Not only that, but if Galen truly was far more powerful then he was prior to him facing off against Sidious, then it would have been more logical to spend just enough energy towards neutralizing the stormtroopers and using the rest to shield himself against his own blast and Sidious's continued attack.

Why? It's not like he was going to beat Palpatine in that Force clash, and Vader was closing in on him from behind. He wasn't getting out of there alive. Rather than unnecessarily prolonging the fight, it makes more sense to unleash his full potency -- since that, at least, has a chance of killing Palpatine.

Syndiciate wrote:

KingofBlades wrote:

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:Why couldn't he have been lowering his Force defenses so he could devote his full power into the explosion?

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

If you're asking why he didn't send just enough energy towards the Rogue Shadow so that it wouldn't overwhelm its shields but so that it would kill the stormtroopers and then focus the rest of the energy in Sidious's direction I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno. Otherwise, why not simply maintain his shields and release the blast simultaneously?

I.E. His inability/unwillingness to divert energy to more then two tasks is the same reason he likely wouldn't be modulating the blast's power again different opponents.

Or he lowered his defenses to maximize his offensive capabilities. Seriously the idea that oneness Marek used the majority of his power on a group of stormtroopers is ridiculous. Its the equivalent of nuking an ant. Just because he's worried about Juno doesn't mean he's suddenly unable to gauge how much power is needed to kill some stormtroopers.

Why lower his defenses at all though if he's got energy to spare? It simply makes him a glass cannon that Sidious would now be able to overcome with his lightning.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

Why lower his defenses at all though if he's got energy to spare? It simply makes him a glass cannon that Sidious would now be able to overcome with his lightning.

He's lowering his defenses and directing that energy into the kamikaze attack. He's not worried about being a glass cannon because he's about to kill himself anyway.

KingofBlades wrote:

Syndiciate wrote:

KingofBlades wrote:

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:Why couldn't he have been lowering his Force defenses so he could devote his full power into the explosion?

Because, as I note in my thread, he did not want to risk the lives of Juno and the Rebels. 

If you're asking why he didn't send just enough energy towards the Rogue Shadow so that it wouldn't overwhelm its shields but so that it would kill the stormtroopers and then focus the rest of the energy in Sidious's direction I'd say it's unlikely for the simple fact that him lowering his Force defenses is indicative that he either didn't care or didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno. Otherwise, why not simply maintain his shields and release the blast simultaneously?

I.E. His inability/unwillingness to divert energy to more then two tasks is the same reason he likely wouldn't be modulating the blast's power again different opponents.

Or he lowered his defenses to maximize his offensive capabilities. Seriously the idea that oneness Marek used the majority of his power on a group of stormtroopers is ridiculous. Its the equivalent of nuking an ant. Just because he's worried about Juno doesn't mean he's suddenly unable to gauge how much power is needed to kill some stormtroopers.

Why lower his defenses at all though if he's got energy to spare? It simply makes him a glass cannon that Sidious would now be able to overcome with his lightning.

Who says he has energy to spare? You're assuming that I believe oneness Marek is much more powerful than Sidious. I don't. Marek probably thought it was necessary to use all his power offensively in a last ditch attempt to kill Sidious. The right move but it wasn't enough.

DarthAnt66 wrote:As for my second point, note "Starkiller unleashed all the power of the Force within him" (TCSWE), reinforcing my idea he dropped his Force defenses so he could unleash all his power. Furthermore, that quote strikes against your idea that Starkiller restrained himself out of protection for Juno, so my take makes the most sense.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

Syndiciate wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:

But him lowering his defenses in the first place makes that unlikely imo. 

OK, maybe, but why? And don't say it's because "he didn't have the ability to do more then focus solely on dealing with the Imperials who were an immediate threat to Juno," because that gets you stuck in that nasty circular-loop again.

Or is it that you're suggesting he COULD HAVE maintained his defenses but INSTEAD chose to control the potency of the blast in an effort to destroy Sidious and simply didn't have the power to do it?

Starkiller dropped his defenses so every iota of his power could be directed to destroying Palpatine and the stormtroopers, if that's what you're asking.

Because, lowering his defenses wouldn't make sense UNLESS he did it for one of the 3 reasons I listed in an earlier post: 

1. Galen was not thinking logically about the usage of the energy at his disposal in this moment. 

2. Galen did not have the time/ability to focus on multiple effective usages of his power simultaneously. 

3. Galen was diverting his entire focus towards preventing the Imperials from gunning down Juno and the Rebels. 

Or, 4. Galen dropped his defenses so he could put his full power into the explosion, ergo "unleashed all of the power of the Force in him."

Considering he was being hit by the same energy that was piercing Sidious's Force defenses ( Force lightning powered by both his own and Sidious's desperation ) he should be intimately familiar with the level of power needed to overwhelm his defenses. 

Because lowering his Force defenses would allow Sidious's Force lightning or his own blast to kill him instantly. 

If he's capable of multi-tasking like you're suggesting and was infinitely more powerful then he was when he was already surviving Sidious's desperation fueled attacks, why not maintain the shields, kill Vader and the stormtroopers, and then refocus on attacking Sidious after he'd dealt with the threat to Juno and the Rebels?

But if he has infinitely more powerful available to him then when he was defending himself against Sidious's desperation fueled attacks, why would he kill himself in an all out attack rather then simply use the same portion of power he was using in his base state to shield himself and the rest of the power he gained from Oneness to destroy Vader and the stormtroopers?