Exar Kun vs Darth Maul (TCW Season 7)

Nute_Chethray wrote:

VictreebelVictr wrote:Season 7 Maul displayed the most impressive force feat in his arsenal (in my opinion anyway).

That is why I chose it.

Which?

OT: Probably Kun

Vaelias wrote:it wanst Adas' Gatekeeper that exhausted Jinn it was merely the energies released that caught Jinn off guard, we cant use this Adas, Jinn comparison. the first one is OOU and the fact file quotes are written by new republic historians whom have knowledge of Kun, I don't see why they would not be accurate,

LadyKulvax wrote:

Vaelias wrote:it wanst Adas' Gatekeeper that exhausted Jinn it was merely the energies released that caught Jinn off guard, we cant use this Adas, Jinn comparison. the first one is OOU and the fact file quotes are written by new republic historians whom have knowledge of Kun, I don't see why they would not be accurate,

The energies are literally coming from the power source which is empowered by an etching of the creator's spirit. So yes, this works whether you like it or not.

How do you know the first is OOU? Because like five people so far have called it IU over on CV. Clearly they're aware of something we are not.

If you are using fact file, Exar Kun is the most powerful Sith ever.

LadyKulvax wrote:You don't get it, if the energy has any ability to severely negatively effect Jinn. Then how do you imagine Jinn would fair against the full power of Adas himself? How about the Exiles who are all more powerful than Adas due to the star map? What about Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh who are far above the Exiles per numerous quotes? What about Nadd who massively dwarfs a far more powerful Sadow than that?

LadyKulvax wrote:No, the TCSWE quote is up to that point in the timeline. This quote is all Sith Lords and Darth Maul is specifically included.

KingofBlades wrote:Fuck me, yeah let's use this ONE supremacy quote to put Kun above ALL SITH and ignore the infinite quotes that say the opposite. "Oh b...b...but Chee said Sidious' quotes are bad." Yes, and he thinks this about all other supremacy quotes as well. "Oh b...b...but I'm not using this quote to say Kun>Sidious, I only have them in the same tier." The quote doesn't say Kun is ALMOST the most powerful of all dark Lords, it says he's number 1. Don't use the quote unless you're willing to defend it's actual meaning lol.

KingofBlades wrote:Fuck me, yeah let's use this ONE supremacy quote to put Kun above ALL SITH and ignore the infinite quotes that say the opposite. "Oh b...b...but Chee said Sidious' quotes are bad." Yes, and he thinks this about all other supremacy quotes as well. "Oh b...b...but I'm not using this quote to say Kun>Sidious, I only have them in the same tier." The quote doesn't say Kun is ALMOST the most powerful of all dark Lords, it says he's number 1. Don't use the quote unless you're willing to defend it's actual meaning lol.

VictreebelVictr wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:No, the TCSWE quote is up to that point in the timeline. This quote is all Sith Lords and Darth Maul is specifically included.

Where does it mention Maul?

Vaelias wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:How are you even making these claims? Maul isn't stronger than Kun nor are his accolades exactly effective against Kun when even as of Yavin Kun has scaling via Nadd that puts him vastly beyond Adas, who scales from Jinn.

Adas doesnt scale from Jinn, just cos his holocron released dark energies that crippled an off guard Jinn doesnt mean those energies released are akin to Adas' power, Jinn is rough equals with Maul who is the most powerful sith in galactic history as of 1999 which would include Kun






Adas is literally at the bottom of any scaling he's below the Exiles, who r below Sadow, Nadd and Kun, by that logic Jinn is like the weakest Jedi in galactic history, which isnt the case

S_W_LeGenD wrote:

Vaelias wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:How are you even making these claims? Maul isn't stronger than Kun nor are his accolades exactly effective against Kun when even as of Yavin Kun has scaling via Nadd that puts him vastly beyond Adas, who scales from Jinn.

Adas doesnt scale from Jinn, just cos his holocron released dark energies that crippled an off guard Jinn doesnt mean those energies released are akin to Adas' power, Jinn is rough equals with Maul who is the most powerful sith in galactic history as of 1999 which would include Kun






Adas is literally at the bottom of any scaling he's below the Exiles, who r below Sadow, Nadd and Kun, by that logic Jinn is like the weakest Jedi in galactic history, which isnt the case

These sources do not cover a vast breath of history. Here is the tip: The Sith grew and fell over time due to multitude of factors and reached their lowest point in Lord Kaan's brotherhood of darkness circa 1010 BBY - the powerful and resourceful Sith Empires were all gone and the ancient sources of knowledge were all but lost to the Brotherhood at this point in time. Darth Bane discovered Darth Revan's Sith Holocron, understood the bigger picture, and rebooted the Sith Order under Rule of Two and the Sith slowly but surely rose to prominence once again.

How would the original Jedi Exiles be a threat to Darth Vader, Palpatine and Darth Krayt otherwise? There is utter lack of continuous trajectory of growth but disconnected SPIKES in competence as time passes by. Knowledge is lost and gained over time and the cycle continuous to repeat itself.

It's kind of like this:

LadyKulvax wrote:You don't get it, if the energy has any ability to severely negatively effect Jinn. Then how do you imagine Jinn would fair against the full power of Adas himself? How about the Exiles who are all more powerful than Adas due to the star map? What about Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh who are far above the Exiles per numerous quotes? What about Nadd who massively dwarfs a far more powerful Sadow than that?

NotAA3 wrote:If we're assuming TCW S7 is Canon, there's no argument for Maul.

If we're assuming TCW S7 is Legends, Maul is confirmed to be better, so Kun dies.

NotAA3 wrote:If we're assuming TCW S7 is Canon, there's no argument for Maul.

If we're assuming TCW S7 is Legends, Maul is confirmed to be better, so Kun dies.

Vaelias wrote:

LadyKulvax wrote:You don't get it, if the energy has any ability to severely negatively effect Jinn. Then how do you imagine Jinn would fair against the full power of Adas himself? How about the Exiles who are all more powerful than Adas due to the star map? What about Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh who are far above the Exiles per numerous quotes? What about Nadd who massively dwarfs a far more powerful Sadow than that?

i think if it came down to it and Jinn fought Adas, Jinn would one shot there is SO many one shot gaps between the two, if Jinn is rough equals with TPM Maul we get something like

Adas > Exiles > Naga Sadow > Nadd > Base Kun > Maul/Jinn

theres literally about 27,000 years of raw power growth between Adas and Jinn, and who's to say the dark energies didn't grow more dangerous over the years like we happen with Muur in the talisman, Jinn is one of the best and most powerful in an era of jedi where there are some of the most powerful in galactic history. saying Adas is more powerful than Jinn is absolutely absurd,  if Jinn was Adas level he would be the absolute worst Jedi in the order by a country mile, and he's stated to be one of the best.

in regards to the Kun quote I don't dispute it, but fact file is IU and written by new republic historians, whom know very little about the likes of Revan and Malak, even so Malak's Holocron was created before he came into possession of the star forge, and i don't doubt that base Malak is beneath Kun, this would be the only version of Malak New Republic historians would be aware of, all that quote would suggest is rough parity with TPM Maul, given he has supremacy quotes from the same source, which I don't even deny. even then the odds favor Maul as he has supremacy quotes from other sources too

Mysteryman06 wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:If we're assuming TCW S7 is Canon, there's no argument for Maul.

If we're assuming TCW S7 is Legends, Maul is confirmed to be better, so Kun dies.

Then that would mean Legends Ahsoka is above Kun too which doesn't add up at all