RotS Dooku and Obi Wan vs. Yoda

Who wins

Yoda great fight

yoda good to great fight

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Kenobi isn't a factor, Yoda wins.

Yoda might be pressed against the two equals but he may stalemate. This is the Naboo battle, only on a much higher scale. They might even win seeing as Yoda lacks options like lightning

Yoda is above even their combined paygrade.

Prime Yoda wins mid difficulty.

Kenobi gets flattened, Dooku gives a decent fight, but ultimately can't compete on Yoda's level. Yoda wins, mid difficulty at most.

Obi wan beats both at once

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Too great of a gap. Kenobi has zero resistance to Yoda's power, Dooku has, but is outmatched as hell.

Yoda in a good fight.

Yoda has innate advantages over both characters. He directly trained Dooku and Kenobi is product of Yoda's Jedi Order.

If you're going with Prime or Peak versions of both characters, I actually think Prime Kenobi would perform better than Dooku against Yoda. When you add up Yoda's training, Kenobi's experience in the Clone Wars, enlightenment and resolve that came from mediation and study on Tatooine, and Anakin's positive influence on Kenobi, Dooku may remain more powerful than Kenobi, but Obi Wan's strengths can't be measured on a stat sheet.

Yeah

The notion that Kenobi can be swept aside easily is laughable

Kenobi isn't being smacked away. He's outclassed, but not nearly as much as some seem to think here.

LOTL wrote:Yeah

The notion that Kenobi can be swept aside easily is laughable

@LOTL 

Kenobi is massively below Palpatine who in turn is >= to Yoda as of ROTS. I can't see how he won't be swept aside easily unless we are factoring Yoda's mindset

SithSauce wrote:

LOTL wrote:Yeah

The notion that Kenobi can be swept aside easily is laughable

@LOTL 

Kenobi is massively below Palpatine who in turn is >= to Yoda as of ROTS. I can't see how he won't be swept aside easily unless we are factoring Yoda's mindset

Kenobi's so called "massive inferiority" to Palpatine is based on Yoda's testimony, which along with not actually being accurate due to him not knowing anything about Palpatine other than that he faced 4 Jedi one of whom was Mace and actually beat them all, is also before he witnesses Obi Wan at his best "tapping" into abilities like never before. The same goes for any musing by Palpatine. A note that Obi Wan actually thinks both him and Yoda wouldn't have a chance against Palpatine based only on him beating the 4 Jedi. Both Obi Wan and Yoda do. They don't know what arcane abilities Palpatine has( the haze that he used to beat the B team) and that Anakin intervened in the battle. 

Note, nothing Yoda says also means Obi Wan is "massively" lesser than Palpatine, it just means he has no chance to win. Qui Gon had no chance to win against Maul, he was a 7 to Maul's 8 and he was even stated to actually "not be able to compete" with Maul, yet you can easily tell that he did "compete". Likewise, the Lucas statement about no one else being able to "compete" with Palpatine. Maybe the notion of the actual "compete" means they they think compete means "be equal" to or actually "very close to"?

Then you have Palpatine's lightning. Both his enemies struggled much more with his lightning than with other talents so maybe that is what Lucas meant by "compete" in that, being lesser than them, he can't actually compete against Palpatine?

However on the other side you have him being declared the "greatest warrior" of the Jedi( yeah not true) obviously but he has the hype that Anakin/Yoda have, but in a lesser amount you have Mace Windu telling him that he has the best chance among any Jedi to beat Grevious and you have him contending with Vader who is a 9 and who Obi Wan thinks is better than any version that he has seen putting him above the Anakin that was beating the Count. The cases against Obi Wan are merely opinions by Palpatine/Yoda etc. while the cases that support him are by actual events and objective statements in the books or movie which have more value than opinions

Obi Wan is substantially below Palpatine. Only, he isn't that much below Palpatine as you think actually

Well that was cringe.

Not as much as him being hand waved away lmao

^Lmao

Haven't even gotten a reason as to why some people think Yoda can handwave Obi Wan here when nothing suggests such a massive gap between them in ability though

@Red12789 Welcome to the forum. From where do you hail?

@Azronger:

Thanks. I came from comic vine lmao.