Yoda vs. Darth Maul & Ahsoka Tano

freethedevil wrote:Yoda gets fodderized. Ahsoka can solo by virtue of being in Vader's ballpark, the same Vader who is above Sidious per Fallen Order quote, Sidious who is >= Yoda.

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@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

BoD wrote:@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

Filoni's view on Sidious is that there's literally nobody that can compete with him, Mace and Yoda included. The same quote shows him stating that "Yoda barely escaped", and Mace is logically beneath Yoda. His view on Sidious is this guy that nobody in TCW is ever so much as competing with, let alone defeating.

IG wrote:

BoD wrote:@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

Filoni's view on Sidious is that there's literally nobody that can compete with him, Mace and Yoda included. The same quote shows him stating that "Yoda barely escaped", and Mace is logically beneath Yoda. His view on Sidious is this guy that nobody in TCW is ever so much as competing with, let alone defeating.

Yoda and Mace (or at least Yoda) are exceptions to Filoni's statement, because they actually fought Sidious in serious duels.

Filoni's view on Sidious is that there's literally nobody that can compete with him, Mace and Yoda included. The same quote shows him stating that "Yoda barely escaped", and Mace is logically beneath Yoda. His view on Sidious is this guy that nobody in TCW is ever so much as competing with, let alone defeating.

Filoni worked closely with George on TCW, so naturally Yoda and Mace are exceptions (considering his own show had Yoda fight Sidious in a vision and showed clips of Mace and Sidious fighting).

BoD wrote:@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

“ There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.”


This portion is clearly not ahsoka’s thoughts 

xmysticgohanx wrote:

BoD wrote:@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

“ There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.”


This portion is clearly not ahsoka’s thoughts 

How do we know that Filoni means this in a 2v1 fight and not what knowledge and resources they both have?

@xmysticgohanx: Filoni gave no timeframe. Maybe Maul wanted to train Ahsoka first and only then take on Sidious. We also don't know if Filoni referred to a direct confruntation. Maybe they could eliminate Sidious in other way. Considering the context ( Maul said that all the jedi can't beat Sidious), i don't think he refers to direct combat as all the jedi combined would anihilate Sidious.

SithSauce wrote:

freethedevil wrote:Maul gets fodderized. Ahsoka needs a non-bantha tier teammate

If Maul gets fodderized than Ahsoka does too, as Prime Maul (Rebels S2) is arguably on Prime Ahsoka's level.

not being skewered in 50 seconds does not put maul on ahsoka's level.

xmysticgohanx wrote:

BoD wrote:@xmysticgohanx 

Filoni confirms it was definitely possible

No he didn't. He was talking about what Ahsoka might be thinking in that situation:




I think for Ahsoka, she's trying to balance 
the fact that she knows the Jedi are a bit blind to what's going on. She knows they've made a lot of the wrong moves. She knows Maul was also ostracized by Darth Sidious. There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.


He's saying Ahsoka might be tempted to take him up on his offer, not that the two of them actually good. This is the same man who said from an OOU standpoint that no one (barring Mace and Yoda, obviously) can compete with Sidious.

“ There is a lot of similarity between the two of them, and there is an opportunity there to take him up on his offer, which is, again, maybe-- you know what? Together they could eliminate Sidious. So you're talking about the lesser of evils.”


This portion is clearly not ahsoka’s thoughts 

That's pretty clearly what ahsoka is thinking, the context of the quote is literally why ahsoka agreed to join maul.