Darth Failure

Not sure he wanted her dead.

I'm reconciling this by him being damn near fully insane by this point. Only in-universe explanation.

I'm kind of with BoD on this one. Maul was literally raving mad just seconds after his defeat. I'd say Maul is a better duelist than Ahsoka, but his defeats tend to be due to a lack of situational awareness (Qui-Gon's lightsaber being pulled by Obi-Wan, Ahsoka throwing him from the beam, Kanan throwing him off of the temple), which may stem from either his arrogance or his building insanity. 

I do have to say, I'm glad Ahsoka supported the idea that Anakin is above Maul. The last time Ahsoka saw Anakin fight was S5. So we can probably say S5 Anakin is well above peak Maul, and RotS Anakin would likely stomp Maul.

No, she just heard that Anakin killed Dooku, she's basing it off of what she knows Anakin is capable of in ROTS

> Korriban wrote:Not sure he wanted her dead.

Even after fully disarming Ahsoka, Maul still gave her one final chance to join him. So up to that point at least, it doesn't seem like he was trying to kill her.

> Korriban wrote:No, she just heard that Anakin killed Dooku, she's basing it off of what she knows Anakin is capable of in ROTS

Maul really is lucky that Anakin didn't show up, because he would have stomped the absolute christ out of him. Maul was trying to bite off WAY more than he could chew.

Also goes to show the actual disparity between Maul and Vader in canon, and why Maul stated that he couldn't beat Vader alone in Rebels S02(he wasn't even willing to try and confront him one-on-one.)

ANH/Rebels Vader > RotS Vader/Anakin > Maul.

Galan007 wrote:

> Korriban wrote:Not sure he wanted her dead.

Even after fully disarming Ahsoka, Maul still gave her one final chance to join him. So up to that point at least, it doesn't seem like he was trying to kill her.

> Korriban wrote:No, she just heard that Anakin killed Dooku, she's basing it off of what she knows Anakin is capable of in ROTS

Maul really is lucky that Anakin didn't show up, because he would have stomped the absolute christ out of him. Maul was trying to bite off WAY more than he could chew.

Also goes to show the actual disparity between Maul and Vader in canon, and why Maul stated that he couldn't beat Vader alone in Rebels S02(he wasn't even willing to try and confront him one-on-one.)

ANH/Rebels Vader > RotS Vader/Anakin > Maul.

Is rebels vader really>rots anakin in NU? Doesn't rots anakin have lucas putting him on par with yoda and sids?

freethedevil wrote:

Galan007 wrote:

> Korriban wrote:Not sure he wanted her dead.

Even after fully disarming Ahsoka, Maul still gave her one final chance to join him. So up to that point at least, it doesn't seem like he was trying to kill her.

> Korriban wrote:No, she just heard that Anakin killed Dooku, she's basing it off of what she knows Anakin is capable of in ROTS

Maul really is lucky that Anakin didn't show up, because he would have stomped the absolute christ out of him. Maul was trying to bite off WAY more than he could chew.

Also goes to show the actual disparity between Maul and Vader in canon, and why Maul stated that he couldn't beat Vader alone in Rebels S02(he wasn't even willing to try and confront him one-on-one.)

ANH/Rebels Vader > RotS Vader/Anakin > Maul.

Is rebels vader really>rots anakin in NU? Doesn't rots anakin have lucas putting him on par with yoda and sids?

The word of George Lucas doesn't mean anything in the new canon. His word isn't the word of god any more. By feats and statements in the new canon, suit Vader is more powerful than RotS Anakin by a long shot.

A long shot... Rebels Vader hasn't defeated a single opponent who's on the level of Dooku. He was even force pushed by Kanan and Ezra. If we judge by feats RotS Anakin shits on Vader

Gianfi wrote:A long shot... Rebels Vader hasn't defeated a single opponent who's on the level of Dooku. He was even force pushed by Kanan and Ezra. If we judge by feats RotS Anakin shits on Vader

And who has Dooky beat?. Second hand sources have gone ver the moon to establish yoda>>>>>dooku after dooky ran away from him. Vader beat someone who contended with maul 15 years before her prime. What makes dooku so beyond that?

Gianfi wrote:A long shot... Rebels Vader hasn't defeated a single opponent who's on the level of Dooku. He was even force pushed by Kanan and Ezra. If we judge by feats RotS Anakin shits on Vader

Vader was toying with Kanan and Ezra. And force barriers aren't really much of a thing in canon as oppose to Legends.

Gianfi wrote:A long shot... Rebels Vader hasn't defeated a single opponent who's on the level of Dooku. He was even force pushed by Kanan and Ezra. If we judge by feats RotS Anakin shits on Vader

A lack of Dooku-level opponents running around the galaxy in the wake of Order 66 doesn't change the abundance of evidence telling us that Vader did nothing but improve after the events of RotS.

Lords of the Sith, for example, literally goes out of its way to state that Vader was more powerful than ever.

SithSauce wrote:

Gianfi wrote:A long shot... Rebels Vader hasn't defeated a single opponent who's on the level of Dooku. He was even force pushed by Kanan and Ezra. If we judge by feats RotS Anakin shits on Vader

Vader was toying with Kanan and Ezra. And force barriers aren't really much of a thing in canon as oppose to Legends.

And he was distracted by the falling AT DPs which means Kanan and Ezra pushed a 300 pound man...

Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

Arch_Sage wrote:Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

From a Certain Point of View makes it clear that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader in ANH, and was hilariously outclassed.

Galan007 wrote:

Arch_Sage wrote:Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

From a Certain Point of View makes it clear that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader in ANH, and was hilariously outclassed.

Damn, disney is really, really determined to drastically fuck with power levels for some reason.

freethedevil wrote:

Galan007 wrote:

Arch_Sage wrote:Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

From a Certain Point of View makes it clear that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader in ANH, and was hilariously outclassed.

Damn, disney is really, really determined to drastically fuck with power levels for some reason.

Indeed, Vader is now the best of the best, even above Sheev

Latham2000 wrote:

freethedevil wrote:

Galan007 wrote:

Arch_Sage wrote:Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

From a Certain Point of View makes it clear that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader in ANH, and was hilariously outclassed.

Damn, disney is really, really determined to drastically fuck with power levels for some reason.

Indeed, Vader is now the best of the best, even above Sheev

Is he really? If he is, that's absolutely stupid. A central component of vader's character is that he lost the potential to be more powerful than sheev.

Latham2000 wrote:

freethedevil wrote:

Galan007 wrote:

Arch_Sage wrote:Vader improved in canon while Obi-Wan declined yet the latter was still able to hold his own in ANH, is there a reason behind this or did Vader just not grow by a large margin?

From a Certain Point of View makes it clear that Kenobi had absolutely no chance of beating Vader in ANH, and was hilariously outclassed.

Damn, disney is really, really determined to drastically fuck with power levels for some reason.

Indeed, Vader is now the best of the best, even above Sheev

Latham honey, please...cease thy buffoonery.

@Galan007: Yet still more powerful in the Force per Chee.  Great consistency from the Story Group, as always.

Jaggarath wrote:@Galan007: Yet still more powerful in the Force per Chee.  Great consistency from the Story Group, as always.

Chee doesn't have Ben > Vader. The tweet you're (likely) referring to is Chee echoing someone asking him about the Lucas quote. He's not him making a statement on the matter. In fact he says he doesn't track power levels at all.

Jaggarath wrote:@Galan007: Yet still more powerful in the Force per Chee.  Great consistency from the Story Group, as always.

That tweet was taken out of context, I believe  somewhere @HeartoftheForce posted the tweet as well as the question that was asked. I'll try and find it.

Jaggarath wrote:@Galan007: Yet still more powerful in the Force per Chee.  Great consistency from the Story Group, as always.

Same thread chain he says "that said, power levels are not something I record." He was just echoing a general comment by Lucas.

I may be missing context behind the "private" function of the questioner, but "While I can see how power levels can be helpful in crafting actor performances in a scene, I don't understand how to apply them to canon. Obi-Wan is stronger than Vader in EP4 - he still "lost." Luke trained with Yoda for like a week and goes toe-to-toe with Vader." is pretty clear-cut otherwise. I'll gladly revise my take and use it for Legends debates if he's exclusively talking about Lucas. If not, the fact Chee doesn't record power-levels is irrelevant to the quote's canonical standing, unless you want to take it a step further and say no quotes or power-level depictions through fights matter?

Jaggarath wrote:I may be missing context behind the "private" function of the questioner, but "While I can see how power levels can be helpful in crafting actor performances in a scene, I don't understand how to apply them to canon. Obi-Wan is stronger than Vader in EP4 - he still "lost." Luke trained with Yoda for like a week and goes toe-to-toe with Vader." is pretty clear-cut otherwise. I'll gladly revise my take and use it for Legends debates if he's exclusively talking about Lucas. If not, the fact Chee doesn't record power-levels is irrelevant to the quote's canonical standing, unless you want to take it a step further and say no quotes or power-level depictions through fights matter?

One user asked Chee about the lucas quote. Chee responded by echoing that staetment without confirming if he agrees with it or not and went on about how power levels are not something he tracks. Is not usable for canon either way as Lucas words are not part of Disney canon. For legends this changes nothing as the quote existed for 40 years or so.

Can you pic/quote me the context?