Darth Vader V Exar Kun

IG (Exists) wrote:@lorenzo.r.2nd Qui Gon > Plagueis is never shown and is explicitly contradicted. Vader has never shown knowledge of Sith Sorcery, ergo he doesn't have it.

IG (Exists) wrote:@Azronger So do we assume everyone can do anything until they say they can’t?

Like, your argument over there was solely to make me look stupid,

and this isn’t Schrödinger’s Force Abilities, implying it is would be both illogical and stupid.

Azronger wrote:

IG (Exists) wrote:@lorenzo.r.2nd Qui Gon > Plagueis is never shown and is explicitly contradicted. Vader has never shown knowledge of Sith Sorcery, ergo he doesn't have it.

This is a textbook argument from ignorance fallacy. If Vader hadn't shown Sith sorcery (he has), then that would simply mean he hadn't shown it. Nothing more, nothing less. Concluding from that that he doesn't have sorcery is like concluding that a person you just met at the dinner table doesn't have legs because you haven't seen them yet.

Azronger wrote:I never said he has sorcery that puts him near Kun's level.

LadyKulvax wrote:Yeah, Kun wins even harder than he does before.

LadyKulvax wrote:How about you make an actual argument as to why Vader isn't stomped because Kun has him beaten in every single avenue.

HellfireUnit wrote:Yeah sure thing. Classic non-sense scaling chains as usual. Even worse than Revan>Malak>Kun scaling.

Champions of the Force wrote:Afraid to challenge the dark power that had been sufficient to warp other students and defeat Master Skywalker.

Champions of the Force wrote:Luke clapped him on the back and smiled with dark-ringed eyes that shone with an inner brightness stronger than ever before. As he conquered each seemingly insurmountable obstacle, Luke's Jedi powers grew greater and greater- but, like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, a Jedi Master learned to use his powers even less, relying on wits instead of showmanship.

The Emperor, Dark Empire #2 wrote:“You’ve grown very strong in the Force since last we met...“

Beware the Sith wrote:Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.

Jedi Battles wrote:Father and son were now equally strong with the Force and equally skilled with their lightsabers.

Return of the Jedi Comic wrote:On the Death Star, father and son grimly clash! Brutally, aggressively, Darth Vader brings his full strength and power against the younger man. But unlike the first time they dueled in the carbon-freezing chamber of Bespin's Cloud City, this is a battle of equals. The young Jedi has grown in the interim, and if there is any true advantage, it seems to have shifted to him.

Shadows of the Empire wrote:Obi-Wan was gone, and the other Jedi were all extinct, save one, who was the strongest of them all. His own son. He had told the Emperor that Luke Skywalker would join them or die. The real truth was only slightly different: Luke would join Darth Vader or die. It would be something to look forward to. That would be the duel of a lifetime. This wasn’t even exercise.