Darth Vader V Exar Kun

Lol, just lol.

Why though

Nothing was actually debunked. How in the world can that quote be viewed as "Oh Kun is a meaner guy than Vader" when first off, at the time of page one that was patently untrue, and secondly the quote itself is referring to the fact that Nomi and Ulic "had their work cut out for them. What other possible meaning is supposed be taken from that? 

The dictionary definition of the saying "work cut out for them" means, literally, that they had something hard to do. So explain to me why Kun being a meanie pants would make Ulic and Nomi's job any harder.

The part afterwards is an entirely separate sentance that does nothing to change the meaning of the first point.

Firstly, it is an interview quote from absolute nobody. Why his word should matter in the first place?

Second, there is no power comparison in the quote. All he says is "he makes Vader look like a nun." In what terms?

Third, you are taking someone's word with absolute no authority on the former canon. Then why do everyone seems to dismiss the Vader being Palpatine's %80 quote or him being a threat to the Emperor, who is far stronger than any of the previous characters that ever existed. And this was made by Lucas himself.

At last he refers to Jedi Kun. Do you really believe Jedi Kun being above Vader? Lmao.

HellfireUnit wrote:Firstly, it is an interview quote from absolute nobody. Why his word should matter in the first place?

Second, there is no power comparison in the quote. All he says is "he makes Vader look like a nun." In what terms?

Third, you are taking someone's word with absolute no authority on the former canon. Then why do everyone seems to dismiss the Vader being Palpatine's %80 quote or him being a threat to the Emperor, who is far stronger than any of the previous characters that ever existed. And this was made by Lucas himself.

At last he refers to Jedi Kun. Do you really believe Jedi Kun being above Vader? Lmao.

Firstly, it is an interview quote from Dan Thorsland, who edited basically every Star Wars title that passed through Dark Horse and wrote several of his own. Including all the Vader Dark Horse comics and Dark Empire, I might add. If your trying to discredit the quote, at least do your research. More authority than the author of the Malak quote has, but you dont see people complaining about that anywhere near as much in this thread

Secondly, he DIRECTLY says that Nomi & Crew are going to have a hard time with Kun, and then points to Page 1 Kun being more fearsome than Vader. Are you seriously not able to grasp that implication

Thirdly, this point was countered by the first point. As for why Vader's 80% quotes aren't taken seriously, its because they are demonstrably false by a large pile of evidence

Lastly, if the authors of the TOTJ series are pointing in that direction........

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Firstly, it is an interview quote from absolute nobody. Why his word should matter in the first place?

Second, there is no power comparison in the quote. All he says is "he makes Vader look like a nun." In what terms?

Third, you are taking someone's word with absolute no authority on the former canon. Then why do everyone seems to dismiss the Vader being Palpatine's %80 quote or him being a threat to the Emperor, who is far stronger than any of the previous characters that ever existed. And this was made by Lucas himself.

At last he refers to Jedi Kun. Do you really believe Jedi Kun being above Vader? Lmao.

Firstly, it is an interview quote from Dan Thorsland, who edited basically every Star Wars title that passed through Dark Horse and wrote several of his own. Including all the Vader Dark Horse comics and Dark Empire, I might add. If your trying to discredit the quote, at least do your research. More authority than the author of the Malak quote has, but you dont see people complaining about that anywhere near as much in this thread

Secondly, he DIRECTLY says that Nomi & Crew are going to have a hard time with Kun, and then points to Page 1 Kun being more fearsome than Vader. Are you seriously not able to grasp that implication

Thirdly, this point was countered by the first point. As for why Vader's 80% quotes aren't taken seriously, its because they are demonstrably false by a large pile of evidence

Lastly, if the authors of the TOTJ series are pointing in that direction........

Firstly Dan Thorsland is an absolute nobody. Him editing TotJ or other comics does not mean anything. He is below the likes of Chris Avellone, whose words do not mean also anything when it comes to these matters.

About Nomi and Crew having a hard time with Kun, does it suppose to mean something? Kun being more fearsome than Vader should mean anything? Which could also be disproven considering the feats and accolades of both characters.

Finally what discredits Lucas' quote? What false, large evidences can you bring up to the table? It is truly funny whenever something that favors Vader comes up, it is instantly discarded, even if it is from g-canon.

Vader gets Nunned by Kun

HU ragdolling.

Vader slaps him down without breaking a sweat.

HellfireUnit wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Firstly, it is an interview quote from absolute nobody. Why his word should matter in the first place?

Second, there is no power comparison in the quote. All he says is "he makes Vader look like a nun." In what terms?

Third, you are taking someone's word with absolute no authority on the former canon. Then why do everyone seems to dismiss the Vader being Palpatine's %80 quote or him being a threat to the Emperor, who is far stronger than any of the previous characters that ever existed. And this was made by Lucas himself.

At last he refers to Jedi Kun. Do you really believe Jedi Kun being above Vader? Lmao.

Firstly, it is an interview quote from Dan Thorsland, who edited basically every Star Wars title that passed through Dark Horse and wrote several of his own. Including all the Vader Dark Horse comics and Dark Empire, I might add. If your trying to discredit the quote, at least do your research. More authority than the author of the Malak quote has, but you dont see people complaining about that anywhere near as much in this thread

Secondly, he DIRECTLY says that Nomi & Crew are going to have a hard time with Kun, and then points to Page 1 Kun being more fearsome than Vader. Are you seriously not able to grasp that implication

Thirdly, this point was countered by the first point. As for why Vader's 80% quotes aren't taken seriously, its because they are demonstrably false by a large pile of evidence

Lastly, if the authors of the TOTJ series are pointing in that direction........

Firstly Dan Thorsland is an absolute nobody. Him editing TotJ or other comics does not mean anything. He is below the likes of Chris Avellone, whose words do not mean also anything when it comes to these matters.

About Nomi and Crew having a hard time with Kun, does it suppose to mean something? Kun being more fearsome than Vader should mean anything? Which could also be disproven considering the feats and accolades of both characters.

Finally what discredits Lucas' quote? What false, large evidences can you bring up to the table? It is truly funny whenever something that favors Vader comes up, it is instantly discarded, even if it is from g-canon.

Oh, yea the dude that collaborated with EVERY AUTHOR IN DARK HORSE STAR WARS HISTORY, yea that guy is just a complete nobody, you know the guy who as an editor had a direct input and level of story control on probably a fifth of the EU has no authority to speak on anything...............

Not in an of itself, more than a point to prove that the quote was talking about power. 

Give me one comparison between Jedi Kun and Vader that proves that Kun is weaker. 

Honestly, I am weird in this aspect, and I will admit that. But I don't take Lucas's quotes too seriously. The dude has been blatantly wrong before, to a point where its impossible to reconcile his statements with the EU. For example, he has gone on record as saying Sith Spirits do not exist and cannot exist

Decaf_Beverages wrote:The stupidity it must take to that Vader can beat Kun when quotes like this exist is just staggering to me



The dude has a god damn direct supremacy quote as of PAGE ONE, yet people still lowball.

"Exar Kun [who can be found in Kevin Anderson's Jedi Academy books], from almost page one, is one of the most fearsome Jedi you've ever seen."

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Clearly referring to personality. Your quote even supports that, lol. "And he begins to take one light side Jedi after another over to the dark side and becomes a galactic problem." ==> Fearsome reputation as a galactic problem due to his abilities of persuasion.

"He makes Darth Vader look like a nun." 

How in AP's sweaty Kun fantasies does this remotely refer to Force strength? A nun is depicted in popular culture as pure, a symbol of resistance against corruption from material and demonic desires and forces. It's clearly referring to personality, unless you think being a nun is a way of assessing someone's combat abilities. It's saying that next to Kun, Vader's atrocities and cruelty is minuscule at best.

"He pays a tremendous price for them."

He commits atrocities to gain power, and loses any good within him. It even says right beforehand that the power he's restoring is that of the Sith's, not literal power.

"But it is unbelievable power." 

Two-fold: he gains strength, but more importantly a position of authority within the Sith, being the one to rebuild them from near-extinction.

Stop reaching.

I mean, not to mention that that would be wrong regardless lol Anakin did shit worse, like so much worse, it's two leagues above anything kun ever did too. He killed 10 Jedi a week, tortured one or two on weekends, and on his off days, he meditated and cried lol

Decaf_Beverages wrote:Nothing was actually debunked. How in the world can that quote be viewed as "Oh Kun is a meaner guy than Vader" when first off, at the time of page one that was patently untrue, and secondly the quote itself is referring to the fact that Nomi and Ulic "had their work cut out for them. What other possible meaning is supposed be taken from that? 

The dictionary definition of the saying "work cut out for them" means, literally, that they had something hard to do. So explain to me why Kun being a meanie pants would make Ulic and Nomi's job any harder.

The part afterwards is an entirely separate sentance that does nothing to change the meaning of the first point.

You're right, of course. They just don't want to accept anything that puts Kun near their PT babies because then their subscribing to the Herndon quote would mean KotOR Revan >>> DE Luke, etc. They'd by hypocrits otherwise.

LadyKulvax wrote:

Decaf_Beverages wrote:Nothing was actually debunked. How in the world can that quote be viewed as "Oh Kun is a meaner guy than Vader" when first off, at the time of page one that was patently untrue, and secondly the quote itself is referring to the fact that Nomi and Ulic "had their work cut out for them. What other possible meaning is supposed be taken from that? 

The dictionary definition of the saying "work cut out for them" means, literally, that they had something hard to do. So explain to me why Kun being a meanie pants would make Ulic and Nomi's job any harder.

The part afterwards is an entirely separate sentance that does nothing to change the meaning of the first point.

You're right, of course. They just don't want to accept anything that puts Kun near their PT babies because then their subscribing to the Herndon quote would mean KotOR Revan >>> DE Luke, etc. They'd by hypocrits otherwise.

Not really m8. Someone that is a nobody shouldn't have an effect on their power level.

You keep claiming this ludicrousness and yet never prove anything you say.

Kun is better than the characters you like, deal with it.

LadyKulvax wrote:You keep claiming this ludicrousness and yet never prove anything you say.

Kun is better than the characters you like, deal with it.

A quote provided by a low level editor in a comic series isn't a real source of information/evidence. 

Also Caedus >>> Kun

'Low level editor'.

Dan edits the works of all the authors under Dark Horse, thus maintaining greater Star Wars authority than any of those authors themselves do as he has worked across the board.

He absolutely has the authority to make such claims.

Caedus being ~ Kun, nevermind >>> is literal comedy. Kun's feats trash Caedus' by a country mile, his scaling is also hilariously beyond anything Caedus can claim to.

LadyKulvax wrote:'Low level editor'.

Dan edits the works of all the authors under Dark Horse, thus maintaining greater Star Wars authority than any of those authors themselves do as he has worked across the board.

He absolutely has the authority to make such claims.

Caedus being ~ Kun, nevermind >>> is literal comedy. Kun's feats trash Caedus' by a country mile, his scaling is also hilariously beyond anything Caedus can claim to.

1. Being an editor doesn't make you an author. That's like asking the animators of TCW a question about the power level of Anakin. It just doesn't make sense.

2. Caedus's feats absolutely shit on KotOR Revan, and KotOR Revan scales beyond Kun, via Malak.

1.Do you even know what an Editor is in this sense? Good grief.

2.LMFAO. You think the Editor of the entire Dark Horse Star Wars catalogue is a fallible source. But you think a limited-perspective description from an outdated article that was replaced and then had its replacement replaced, before being removed from the website for redundancy is a perfectly canonical, word-of-god binding fact.

This defence of that quote is laughable, tbh.

LadyKulvax wrote:1.Do you even know what an Editor is in this sense? Good grief.

2.LMFAO. You think the Editor of the entire Dark Horse Star Wars catalogue is a fallible source. But you think a limited-perspective description from an outdated article that was replaced and then had its replacement replaced, before being removed from the website for redundancy is a perfectly canonical, word-of-god binding fact.

1. The Editor edits. Simple as that. They could edit grammar mistakes, or picture errors, or continuity errors. 

2. Yes, the Editor of the Dark Horse comic books is a fallible source.

He's literally responsible for editing the works of the authors to better suit the vision of LucasFilm itself. His authority is set in stone by LucasFilm itself by crediting him with having been so involved for so long.

They wouldn't be interviewing him about it in the first place if he wasn't a reliable authority and then go out of their way to tell readers why he's worth interviewing to boot just in case.

It's a published statement in an official LucasFilm magazine that they clearly didn't take issue with.

Not that I find any of this necessary when Kun's feats do the job themselves.

LadyKulvax wrote:He's literally responsible for editing the works of the authors to better suit the vision of LucasFilm itself. His authority is set in stone by LucasFilm itself by crediting him with having been so involved for so long.

They wouldn't be interviewing him about it in the first place if he wasn't a reliable authority and then go out of their way to tell readers why he's worth interviewing to boot just in case.

It's a published statement in an official LucasFilm magazine that they clearly didn't take issue with.

Not that I find any of this necessary when Kun's feats do the job themselves.

He doesn't edit for the story, and power levels and scaling chains, he edits grammar and continuity errors. You still haven't refuted this point

You're making absolutely no sense at this point. He isn't that kind of editor.

LadyKulvax wrote:You're making absolutely no sense at this point. He isn't that kind of editor.

Editors have no place making claims about a characters power level. That's just not how it works. So if you have a better source, then I'm all ears