Kylo Ren vs Darth Maul - Force Battle

Kylo.

IG wrote:Maul is <= Rebels Vader, so I dunno.

Reasoning?

kylo

TheNuisanceBird wrote:

IG wrote:Maul is <= Rebels Vader, so I dunno.

Reasoning?

Maul is superior to Ahsoka (while holding back, because he's trying to look feeble and weak), so he's logically close to Vader.

Maul is superior to Ahsoka (while holding back, because he's trying to look feeble and weak), so he's logically close to Vader.

Maul was originally going to die against Vader in a 44 minute episode before he moved on to face Ahsoka, which was Filoni's intent. No reason whatsoever to think he's close to Vader. Put up a fight, sure, but close? No.

OT: Kylo.

BoD wrote:

Maul is superior to Ahsoka (while holding back, because he's trying to look feeble and weak), so he's logically close to Vader.

Maul was originally going to die against Vader in a 44 minute episode before he moved on to face Ahsoka, which was Filoni's intent. No reason whatsoever to think he's close to Vader. Put up a fight, sure, but close? No.

OT: Kylo.

He was going to die... with no context whatsoever. He could've died in an extremely close fight. That argument has no basis in fact, nor reality. Filoni just said he would've died. I mean, you can lose a fight and still be extremely close, that's how Star Wars works.

He was going to die... with no context whatsoever. He could've died in an extremely close fight. That argument has no basis in fact, nor reality. Filoni just said he would've died. I mean, you can lose a fight and still be extremely close, that's how Star Wars works.

There's no basis for it being a close fight, either. We already know Vader is distinctively superior to Ahsoka, there's no reason Maul should be above her by a meaningful enough degree to change that. 

Not to mention you have Maul himself making that pretty clear:

- Outright states he can't defeat Vader alone.

- Flees rather than try and get back up to get to the temple, which he's been waiting an extremely long time to activate.

- Is clearly distracted by Vader's arrival and tries to hurry Ezra to activate the Temple. 

It's pretty clear Maul was not meant to be a close match or near-equal for Vader. And before you claim "he was lying or pretending", this is inconsistent with Maul's character. He tends towards half-truths or omits information. He very rarely outright lies, which is exactly what saying "I cannot defeat Vader alone" would be.

Maul isn't superior to Ahsoka while holding back, that's complete nonsense. Maul was pretending to be weak and feeble when he met Ezra so that he can gain his trust because Ezra a child, Maul dropped the act when Ezra re-introduced Maul to Kanan and Ahsoka, who evidently weren't naive enough to fall for Maul's self victimisation act. The entire idea that there's a big gap between Ahsoka and Maul in the form of this "serious Maul > holding back Maul who's pretending to look feeble > Ahsoka" argument completely self destructs because Maul had a 2 minute fight with Ahsoka, and during that fight he is furious and frustrated with Ahsoka for getting in his way, and yet their fight resulted in a stalemate, not that I think Maul would've lost had the fight continued, but it's illogical for Maul to deliberately waste time holding back his strength in his fight with Ahsoka because he is clearly hell bent to get to the Sith holocron, corrupt Ezra into becoming his apprentice, exact revenge on all his enemies, all of which is shoved in our faces because he says "Power will be mine, Ezra... Will be mine! And there's nothing you can do to stop me!"