Starkiller vs Arcann(Force battle)

Who wins in a pure force battle?

SK.

Arcann

Starkiller.

arcan fucking stomps dude. SK is around TPM kenobi/ TPM maul by vader scaling

Arcann in a good to great fight.

SK

Isv wrote:SK

Vader scaling, I assume?

BoD wrote:

Isv wrote:SK

Vader scaling, I assume?

Ha ho he he ha. No. Just better feats than your guy, better potential and better skill with a blade

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Reasoning?

Okay:

-SK has better environmental feats (re-directing a "vast million ton" ISD, atomising half of a 300m long frigate).
-SK has better combative performances (Arcann has never dominated anyone as thoroughly as SK did Vader).
-SK has mitigated Sheev's Lightning for up to 30 seconds without collapsing under his assault.

SK is just better in every way. Anyone who thinks otherwise should debate me.

Define "dominating" Vader

Arcann’s immense force superiority over any of the SoR protags is more impressive imo than sk’s ridiculous environmental stuff because of autisto tor chains. SK’s noted as a TK savant iirc, so you can’t really scale his stuff as proportional to his other abilities.

I'm pretty sure being a TK savant would help here.

Well obviously, but I meant it’s not proportional to the rest of his abilities, and therefore non-scaleable (e.g superiority in TK =/= overall raw power superiority here).

Yeah, but since TK and Lightning are the primary abilities that will be in use here (and tutaminis) I'm guessing 'killer wipes the floor with Arcann. His feats are on another level.

Well, Galen's tutaminis is also a beast. How come he doesn't scale off from holding Palpatine's Force Lightning?

I mean Arcann blocked Valklander’s blast with a barrier. Barriers are bad against lightning specifically compared to Tutaminis, so I dunno if SK can really penetrate arcann’s defense. Though I do think contests like these make no sense because of the disproportionate strength of barriers.

Why did he use barrier if it's a worse ability? And why are you assuming that him using a barrier instead of tutaminis is a point in his favour? And why would Valklander's blasts even come near 'killers million ton TK, capital ship splitting lightning or frigate disintegrating TK while shielding from re-entry heats?

Well again, I don’t think force battles make sense res ally because of strength of barriers. They’ll both end up effortlessly negating each other’s TK and shit basically.

I think it's because tutaminis is harder to use than barrier, and that's all Arcann could manage. That seems to be what sourcebooks tell us with the stuff about tutaminis on lightning is an almost impossible feat.

Galen absorbing Sheev's lightning with tutaminis seems better.

The Son of Hades wrote:Okay:

-SK has better environmental feats (re-directing a vast million ton ISD, atomising half of a 300m long frigate).
-SK has better combative performances (Arcann has never dominated anyone as thoroughly as SK did Vader).
-SK has mitigated Sheev's Lightning for up to 30 seconds without collapsing under his assault.

SK is just better in every way. Anyone who thinks otherwise should debate me.

i felt proud of u for a second there, as i thought u considered vader > outlander, but then i noticed the key words " dominated" and "thoroughly". the rise and fall of the roman empire in just one sentence.

SK

@Seturna A pre-prime Arcann held off lightning from Valkorion for a good minute or two. Said lightning was capable of killing hundreds of beings when unfocused, yet Arcann resisted it when it was completely focused on him. 

His TK is equally impressive, with prime Arcann being a close match for a more powerful chained Vaylin than the one who broke free of Valkorion's Force hold. This Valk was likewise capable of wiping out a small army comprised of walkers, Knights of Zakuul and countless skytroopers with a single Force wave. He's also brought BoKOTET Outlander to their knees with a Force blast while heavily wounded. 

For skill, he's fought as an equal with KOTFE Outlander and even matched EoKOTFE for a while in sabers, meaning that he gets all of the HoT's scaling. He's also physically stronger than the Outlander and arguably faster, not to mention he's ridiculously durable.

It's not an easy fight, but he should win.

@ILS https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t2224-ss-the-apprenticeship-tournament-arcann-xsupremeskillz-vs-darth-tyranus-darthant66
I explain the impressiveness of Arcann tanking that lightning barrage here. He has concrete scaling above Revan Reborn and Novel Vitiate