Valkorion vs 5 Exar Kun's

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia wrote:The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.

NotAA3 wrote:

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia wrote:The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.

NotAA3 wrote:Valkorion, comfortably.

NotAA3 wrote:@Isv: IU omniscient source.*

BoD wrote:The SWTOR Encyclopedia isn't omniscient. 

OT: Valkorion. If he can one-shot a team of two unchained Vaylin tiers and Arcann, Exar Kun will pose less of a threat.

Exar Kun easily has better feats and scales just as ridiculously off of his own era and lineage. 

Yes, he does. He benchpressed a Derriphan-class battlecruiser before he even went to Cinnagar to fight Ulic which Kun himself says didn't test the limits of his power.

Difference being Exar Kun has five major stated power growths to go before he's in his prime.

Exar Kun scales far, far above Thon who could contain spirits that would have consumed a sector.

He scales above Ragnos who scales over Hord who devoured the spirits of a thousand Jedi 

In his time as Dark Lord of the Sith, Tulak Hord was known as a master of the mystical dark arts of the Force, using his powers to plumb the depths of life and death. In the battles of Yn and Chabosh, Tulak Hord is believed to have used a ritual to draw the strength of his enemies to himself, growing his power and vitality.

One ritual of Tulak Hord's gets only a scant mention in the histories, but is the subject of myth and legend--a ritual rumored to grant eternal life. No one has ever managed to uncover this mythical ritual, let alone perform it.

after already rivalling Aloysius Kallig

who after millennia of his spirit fading and being drained caused a major Force lightning storm over the Dark Temple that lasted a week just by waking up. 

Not to mention dominating thousands of slaves without effort just by dreaming and imbuing them with powers that could overwhelm Kaas!Nox and Kaas!Wrath, again just by dreaming

"Over a millennium past, the Emperor claimed Dromund Kaas and made the Dark Temple the epicenter of dark Force energy. In the bowels of the temple, he conducted horrifying experiments that drained the knowledge and life essence from all the greatest Sith Lords of the time."

BoD wrote:

Yes, he does. He benchpressed a Derriphan-class battlecruiser before he even went to Cinnagar to fight Ulic which Kun himself says didn't test the limits of his power.

On Yavin IV, a ridiculously powerful dark side nexus. Also when the engines and thrusters were presumably still working, since it's then hovering. How's that more impressive than Senya, a weakened BoKOTFE Outlander and Senya lifting a Gravestone lodged in centuries of swampland?

Difference being Exar Kun has five major stated power growths to go before he's in his prime.

Cool. The Outlander was heavily weakened here by carbonite poisoning and had yet to regain their full strength. This Outlander << the one who fought Arcann in chapter 8 <<< KOTFE 16 Outlander < KOTET 1 Outlander <<<< EoKOTET Outlander.

Exar Kun scales far, far above Thon who could contain spirits that would have consumed a sector.

Source? And consumed them how, exactly?

He scales above Ragnos who scales over Hord who devoured the spirits of a thousand Jedi 

Source for consuming that many? Also, the people he drained was through a ritual, not through outright power:

[size=38]In his time as Dark Lord of the Sith, Tulak Hord was known as a master of the mystical dark arts of the Force, using his powers to plumb the depths of life and death. In the battles of Yn and Chabosh, Tulak Hord is believed to have used a ritual to draw the strength of his enemies to himself, growing his power and vitality.[/size]

[size=38]One ritual of Tulak Hord's gets only a scant mention in the histories, but is the subject of myth and legend--a ritual rumored to grant eternal life. No one has ever managed to uncover this mythical ritual, let alone perform it.[/size]

Force-Walking Codex Entry wrote:Three hundred years after Tulak Hord, the Sith Ergast tried to recreate the ritual the Dark Lord used to devour the spirits of his enemies at Yn and Chabosh.

Star Wars the Old Republic Encyclopedia wrote:One of Khem Val's proudest victories came during the Battle of Chabosh, where he fought by Tulak Hord's side to conquer an army of Jedi 1,000 strong.

after already rivalling Aloysius Kallig[/size]

Do you have an actual timeframe for Yn and Chabosh?

who after millennia of his spirit fading and being drained caused a major Force lightning storm over the Dark Temple that lasted a week just by waking up. 

We've argued this before. It wasn't Kallig alone. It was all of the ghosts (of which there were countless of them) in an incredibly powerful dark nexus where their powers combined, causing the storm.

Dark Temple Codex Entry wrote:The temple itself remained sealed until recently, when an expedition of power-hungry Sith Lords and their servants breached the gateway.
The Dark Council did not sanction this intrusion, nor did it punish the rogue Sith; no one returned from the expedition to punish. Violent electrical storms surrounded the temple for the first week after it was opened.

Lord Allaric wrote:"They awoke an ancient sith lord - Lord Kallig - and their expedition plunged into madness."

"His power overwhelmed all inside the temple, and even now workers plot wars against each other, believing themselves Sith Lords and drawing terrible power from Kallig himself."

Not to mention dominating thousands of slaves without effort just by dreaming and imbuing them with powers that could overwhelm Kaas!Nox and Kaas!Wrath, again just by dreaming

Yet again, not him alone. Unless, of course, you're claiming Lord Pharshol, Anyarah, Nil Venerous, Lord Vacuus, and countless others (along with other followers of the Dark Path) are actually Kallig. Baras even mentions that there are countless other Sith, the greatest of their time, imprisoned there and causing these things:

"Over a millennium past, the Emperor claimed Dromund Kaas and made the Dark Temple the epicenter of dark Force energy. In the bowels of the temple, he conducted horrifying experiments that drained the knowledge and life essence from all the greatest Sith Lords of the time."

Lord Kallig wrote:"When the weaklings of this planet trespassed my tomb, I rose, resuming my former life. This temple became my kingdom, and I was once more a Lord of the Sith."

Scaling massively above DK EW or DN is frankly nothing.

All of which is far more impressive than your ludicrously overstated Outlander growth chains, which me and Skillz invented in the first place.

Yavin IV is irrelevant when it's pre-Cinnagar Kun, lmao. And as you completely ignored, it wasn't a hard feat for Kun per himself.

"The first corruption of Yavin's fourth moon by the dark side that we know of corresponds with the arrival of Dark Lord Naga Sadow some fourteen hundred years ago. I'm not entirely sure whether Sadow was drawn here by the dark side or if he himself planted the first seed of its presence. That's one of the many things I hope to learn while I'm here.



"Sadow was a gifted alchemist who turned his Massassi followers into powerful, violent animals who worshipped and served Sadow. The Massassi built massive temples for Sadow where they sacrificed their own in his honor. Sadow was even powerful enough to stave off the inevitable. He placed himself in a near-death slumber, which he remained in for hundreds of years, waiting until someone would come to take his place...."

"There was a time when Freedon Nadd was only known as an impetuous Padawan who murdered his well-regarded master and then fled to parts unknown. But we now know that Nadd fled here, to Yavin 4, thirsty for insight into the dark side. Even now I can feel the corrupting power he must have felt in the halls of these temples. Nadd's arrival reawakened Naga Sadow, who took Nadd as his apprentice. When Nadd emerged from his training, he destroyed Sadow and took his place as Dark Lord of the Sith.



"As far as we're aware, Freedon Nadd never physically returned to the halls of Naga Sadow's temples, but he wasn't entirely finished with the place either. Centuries after his own demise, he would influence another Jedi in training to repeat Yavin 4's dark cycle...."

"Just as Naga Sadow trained his eventual replacement, so did Freedon Nadd's spirit find a powerful apprentice in Exar Kun. And just as Nadd killed his lord Sadow, Kun destroyed Nadd's spirit here on Yavin 4. These notable deaths likely served to further imbue the moon's temples with dark power, further fueling the barbaric Massassi--as well as the succession of Dark Lords who would later reside here.

Yavin 4 also holds a great deal of interest to the Jedi and the Sith. For well over a thousand years now, the dark side of the Force has flowed through Yavin 4 in an ever-increasing magnitude. But those who visit the moon's deadly rainforests and swamps in search of an explanation for the phenomenon rarely return, and never with any answers.

Which doesn't make up for the Dark Lord power boost Kun is given, then gaining 'tremendous' powers across four years before attaining the Dark Holocron; the most powerful in the mythos, which is stated to make him more powerful and more quickly than before. Then raiding the chamber of antiquities on Ossus which resulted in him becoming far more powerful than he was on Ossus. All of which is far more impressive than your ludicrously overstated Outlander growth chains, which me and Skillz invented in the first place.

Prime Kun massively dwarfs the Kun that lifts Sadow's battlecruiser up through a huge cavern and the temple built on-top of it with no actual way of it getting out. And which is confirmed to be done through the Force.

You're massively missing the point, Hord drained the spirits of a thousand Jedi which would make him massively more powerful. That it is a ritual is absolutely irrelevant.


Kallig got assassinated under orders from Hord some time around the Yn and Chabosh campaigns per Dashade servants in Khem Val and Veshikk Urk.

We've argued this before or you straight up just don't understand the source material? The only active spirit is Kallig, he's the centerpiece for everything. The other spirits haven't broken out yet which is what the quest is about in the first place. Sealing the individual tombs to prevent their escape:

Once again, amazingly wrong. Kallig himself was doing these things. The other spirits weren't free:

Lord Kallig wrote:"When the weaklings of this planet trespassed my tomb, I rose, resuming my former life. This temple became my kingdom, and I was once more a Lord of the Sith.

DK Nox and Wrath have Lord Grathan, Darth Skotia and the Beast of Marka Ragnos under their belts. So how about no?

I literally couldn't care, you massively over-inflated Outlander's scaling thinking I wouldn't notice how massively flawed it is. 

BoD wrote:

Yavin IV is irrelevant when it's pre-Cinnagar Kun, lmao. And as you completely ignored, it wasn't a hard feat for Kun per himself.

Except Yavin IV was a potent dark side nexus long before Kun came along:

"The first corruption of Yavin's fourth moon by the dark side that we know of corresponds with the arrival of Dark Lord Naga Sadow some fourteen hundred years ago. I'm not entirely sure whether Sadow was drawn here by the dark side or if he himself planted the first seed of its presence. That's one of the many things I hope to learn while I'm here.



"Sadow was a gifted alchemist who turned his Massassi followers into powerful, violent animals who worshipped and served Sadow. The Massassi built massive temples for Sadow where they sacrificed their own in his honor. Sadow was even powerful enough to stave off the inevitable. He placed himself in a near-death slumber, which he remained in for hundreds of years, waiting until someone would come to take his place...."

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"There was a time when Freedon Nadd was only known as an impetuous Padawan who murdered his well-regarded master and then fled to parts unknown. But we now know that Nadd fled here, to Yavin 4, thirsty for insight into the dark side. Even now I can feel the corrupting power he must have felt in the halls of these temples. Nadd's arrival reawakened Naga Sadow, who took Nadd as his apprentice. When Nadd emerged from his training, he destroyed Sadow and took his place as Dark Lord of the Sith.



"As far as we're aware, Freedon Nadd never physically returned to the halls of Naga Sadow's temples, but he wasn't entirely finished with the place either. Centuries after his own demise, he would influence another Jedi in training to repeat Yavin 4's dark cycle...."

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"Just as Naga Sadow trained his eventual replacement, so did Freedon Nadd's spirit find a powerful apprentice in Exar Kun. And just as Nadd killed his lord Sadow, Kun destroyed Nadd's spirit here on Yavin 4. These notable deaths likely served to further imbue the moon's temples with dark power, further fueling the barbaric Massassi--as well as the succession of Dark Lords who would later reside here.

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Yavin 4 also holds a great deal of interest to the Jedi and the Sith. For well over a thousand years now, the dark side of the Force has flowed through Yavin 4 in an ever-increasing magnitude. But those who visit the moon's deadly rainforests and swamps in search of an explanation for the phenomenon rarely return, and never with any answers.

So yeah, Kun amped by an incredibly potent nexus lifted a ship that apparently already had its systems online and wasn't lodged in anything.

New Essential Guide to Characters wrote:After obliterating Nadd's lingering spirit, Exar Kun made Yavin 4 the new fulcrum of Sith power.

Which doesn't make up for the Dark Lord power boost Kun is given, then gaining 'tremendous' powers across four years before attaining the Dark Holocron; the most powerful in the mythos, which is stated to make him more powerful and more quickly than before. Then raiding the chamber of antiquities on Ossus which resulted in him becoming far more powerful than he was on Ossus. All of which is far more impressive than your ludicrously overstated Outlander growth chains, which me and Skillz invented in the first place.

Blatantly not true.

Prime Kun massively dwarfs the Kun that lifts Sadow's battlecruiser up through a huge cavern and the temple built on-top of it with no actual way of it getting out. And which is confirmed to be done through the Force.

There being no way out being impressive...how? 19 BBY Vader could collapse the ceilings of huge temples. Also, it's quite obvious that there was a way to get the ship out since they got it in there in the first place.

You're massively missing the point, Hord drained the spirits of a thousand Jedi which would make him massively more powerful. That it is a ritual is absolutely irrelevant.


Kallig got assassinated under orders from Hord some time around the Yn and Chabosh campaigns per Dashade servants in Khem Val and Veshikk Urk.

So do you have anything suggesting Kallig was killed before Yn and Chabosh?

We've argued this before or you straight up just don't understand the source material? The only active spirit is Kallig, he's the centerpiece for everything. The other spirits haven't broken out yet which is what the quest is about in the first place. Sealing the individual tombs to prevent their escape:

Not what was happening:



Lord Alaric was talking about stopping more of the ancient Sith - the most powerful ones - from awakening, which is literally why he says "still more". Kallig, Lord Pharshol, and several other Sith (including many from the Dark Path) had already been awakened and possessed members of the expedition. Kallig was not the only Sith awoken, only the first.

Once again, amazingly wrong. Kallig himself was doing these things. The other spirits weren't free:

Lord Kallig wrote:"When the weaklings of this planet trespassed my tomb, I rose, resuming my former life. This temple became my kingdom, and I was once more a Lord of the Sith.

Yet again, at least 4 other ancient Sith were active, including Pharshol.

DK Nox and Wrath have Lord Grathan, Darth Skotia and the Beast of Marka Ragnos under their belts. So how about no?

[size=33]It's nothing when all of these characters are ants compared to their act 3 iterations, let alone EoKOTET Outlander. They also gain this scaling as a tiny footnote in their growth, yet Valk still one-shot them and two other extremely powerful beings, one who is on the same level as them by the end of KOTET.[/size]

I literally couldn't care, you massively over-inflated Outlander's scaling thinking I wouldn't notice how massively flawed it is. 

[size=33]Feel free to prove it, then.[/size]