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Quorian Debatist
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Valkorion vs Maul (H2H) Empty Valkorion vs Maul (H2H)

October 3rd 2019, 1:35 pm
Both combatants can amp themselves fully with the Force via internalized amping. They are limited to pure physical attacks - no force shields, no force pushes, no force healing, etc. KO or physical death counts as a win.

They fight in Mos Eisley.

Valkorion is in his Valkorion incarnation
Maul is in his Chicken-Legs incarnation

Who wins?
The Lost
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October 3rd 2019, 2:04 pm
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Maul legitimately annihilates and it's not a good fight.

Valk has far more raw power, but that doesn't make up for the fact Maul has absolutely hilarious base physical strength without the Force. Using the Force he literally multiplies his strength (compare his unamped Lockdown feats to him overpowering giant monsters or Jun Fan oneshotting several wampas). And to make matters worse, Maul's chicken legs are so strong he killed Jun Fan in one kick. Presumably Jun Fan can tank basic attacks from people of his own strength calibre and above without dying, so Maul can kill people in his own strength class with these legs. 

Perhaps more importantly, comparing their martial arts expertise is like comparing comic book Batman to an autistic aids infected stillborn. Let's say for generosity sake Valk has more raw speed than Maul punching in a straight line, which is not supported by anything. The fact is, part of combat speed is combat skill. Training. Muscle memory. Falling into a series of reflexive moves on instinct.

And if you want to wank Maul's H2H skill, the most simple and clear method is Plagueis' observation that he was just as lethal with his body as his lightsabre. Maul's technical prowess with a saber aside from augmentation is almost, or is, without equal according to Sheev and several out of universe sources. H2H training was just as important to Maul as his saber skills, and Teras Kasi was something he wove lightsabre combat as well as H2H.

In addition to being a master of all lightsabre forms, Teras Kasi, Echani and numerous other exotic and forbidden disciplines, Maul is also a master of nerve striking. He also has no issue using every dirty tactic in the book for eye gouging to biting to hornbutting and so on. He knows exactly where to strike to deal a killing blow and is unconcerned with whether or not its done with a fancy technique or a crude direct and ugly strike.

Maul has two hearts and has hilarious stamina and pain tolerance even among his own species. Not only that but even as a neophyte his Force rage could take him from emaciated, infected, sleep deprived, exhausted and hallucinating to completely breaking his limits. It would take nothing short of lethal force to actually slow Maul down. He was still conscious and using TK, gravity manipulation etc after he was cut in half.

Valk basically gets stomped, likely oneshotted.
dark_globe
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Valkorion vs Maul (H2H) Empty Re: Valkorion vs Maul (H2H)

October 3rd 2019, 2:06 pm
this is very hard to predict .
mainly because we have zero feats for valkorion in h2h .
for all we know he is a cupcake .
problem is valkorion never had to draw a lightsaber or engage in a physical confrontation due to his vastly superior force powers .
even very powerful force users and combatants such as arcann were unable to break through his defences
despite hitting him with everything he had valkorion defended himself with a simple hand gesture against arcanns most powerful lightsaber strikes .

maul is vastly superior in h2h combat no doubt . the question is how much valkorion can augment his physical stats .
if it gets to the point maul breaks his own hands trying to punch valkorion its GG .
but if maul could actually hurt valk he wins no question .

my money is on the first option . i think maul hits the brick wall trying to punch valkorion even if he is much more technically skilled .
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October 3rd 2019, 2:09 pm
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Valk used a Force Shield against Arcann. He doesn't have that in this thread.
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October 3rd 2019, 2:10 pm
ILS wrote:Valk used a Force Shield against Arcann. He doesn't have that in this thread.
i know he doesn´t . i just pointed out why we don´t have any h2h feats for him .
read the whole post not just one part out of context
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October 3rd 2019, 5:22 pm
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What the fuck did you just say to me
BreakofDawn
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October 11th 2019, 12:03 pm
I'd say Valk has decent H2H feats considering that he held off Vaylin, the Outlander and Arcann while they were using the holocron to bypass many of his defences and considerable power advantage, but it's hard to quantify considering that he also made use of things like teleportation. Maul should win solidly.
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