The Hero Of Tyhon vs Count Dooku

Yes, haha, quite cheap...

Dooku takes the saber.
HoT take the All Out if SOR version. I think any other version of him loose against Dooku.

Assuming this is pre-training HoT, Dooku all rounds in a decent fight. Force is the closest but Dooku is simply more skilled, has more control and is more powerful.

Dooku teaches him the basics.

Dooku still wins.

There's no chance in hell Dooku beats YavinIV!HoT.

Even a Dark Temple-amped Weakened Vitiate who had been given time to recover some of his strength, was 'no match' for a Hero who had 'dissipated' their strength fighting through Kaas City to rescue their companions. This is a vastly stronger Vitiate than the one who was 'tearing apart' the 'cavernous' Dark Temple. A place specifically designed to 'focus and contain' the dark side power of hundreds of very dangerous and powerful Sith spirits such as Lord Kallig.

This Vitiate should also completely dwarf the First Son and the Emperor's Children. Because all of them only share 'a touch' of Vitiate's overall power.

Vitiate being able to destroy a single room is totally comparable to Dooku holding his own against Yoda in AOTC despite having had a lot taken out of him by his previous engagements amirite?

It was never a single room, that was a Sheevite lie. Scourge says the entire temple is coming apart.

We have no way of knowing how weakened that Vitiate was, but he is in no way comparable to Yoda.

How so? Because as far as I see it, even in that state he's still vastly stronger than the First Son and in a far worse state can destroy the Dark Temple, which I'd wager is just as impressive as the Federation dropships feat Yoda has in OCW. That's the Vitiate who was 'no match' for a massively hindered ACT III Hero of Tython. The amount of power growth the Hero undergoes between that and Yavin IV is utterly massive. (Speaking of which, I ought to finish part two of my RT.)

>implying being better than the First Son = comparability to Yoda

You know full well what the more important part of my argument was.

Act III? Dooku cuts him down.

This is Yavin Hero. I also fail to see how Dooku compares to Vitiate at all.

LadyKulvax wrote:This is Yavin Hero. I also fail to see how Dooku compares to Vitiate at all.

He doesn't. But Vitiate heavily weakened by an unknown amount? Why not? The only thing we have to gauge his power is structurally damaging the Dark Temple as he moved his essence from Dromund Kaas to Yavin IV.

Except he brings down the temple whether he's alive or dead. It's clearly not due to his spirit jump to Yavin IV. He's trying to kill the Hero.

LadyKulvax wrote:Except he brings down the temple whether he's alive or dead. It's clearly not due to his spirit jump to Yavin IV. He's trying to kill the Hero.

Sure, but "bringing down" the Temple is a bit of an overstatement. Compare it to, say, what Bane did to the Temple of the Ancients in PoD. Bane obliterated the Temple supports and caused the entire thing to collapse in on itself. Vitiate damaged the Temple supports, but he still left enough time for the Hero and all his companions to escape, and the Hero was in the deepest chamber of the Temple with T7. Not saying that Bane's is a better feat, but it's not like Vitiate ripped down hundreds of tons of stone.

But the Dark Temple isn't just massive. It's alchemically designed to withstand and contain the power of the hundreds of Sith spirits within it. All of those spirits are supposed to be seriously powerful, and a threat so strong they could've overwhelmed Kaas City. Lord Kaliig, a rival of Tulak Hord, was one of them. (As I'm sure you're aware, just making everything clear.)

LadyKulvax wrote:But the Dark Temple isn't just massive. It's alchemically designed to withstand and contain the power of the hundreds of Sith spirits within it. All of those spirits are supposed to be seriously powerful, and a threat so strong they could've overwhelmed Kaas City. Lord Kaliig, a rival of Tulak Hord, was one of them. (As I'm sure you're aware, just making everything clear.)

While true, it's still unquantifiable.

Not really, it's simultaneously a monstrous telekinesis feat, and a sign that even a dead Vitiate who needs to flee to Yavin IV and recuperate afterwards, is still more powerful than those spirits are. The fact that in a much stronger state than that, he's still 'no match' for a Hero who has 'dissipated their energy saving the weak' and is constantly, massively hindered by Dromund Kaas.

Let's not forget that even the likes of Grand Master Luke Skywalker and Sword of the Jedi Jaina Solo had their reflexes considerably slowed down by the 'psychic sewage' of a far less potent Dromund Kaas. Yet the Hero was facing Vitiate in the heart of the planets most potent nexus.

I question whether we can scale him off the collective power of the spirits given the spirits never pooled their power in one concerted effort to collapse the Temple.

The entire point of the Dark Temple quest is that they're doing exactly that. Attempting to break out when an unsanctioned expedition broke in and let some loose. The quest is to prevent all of this and bring the Temple back under control, hence sealing tombs and all that.

LadyKulvax wrote:The entire point of the Dark Temple quest is that they're doing exactly that. Attempting to break out when an unsanctioned expedition broke in and let some loose. The quest is to prevent all of this and bring the Temple back under control, hence sealing tombs and all that.

Individually, sure, but not in a coordinated effort. Obviously even weakened Vitiate is stronger than any spirit in there by a large margin, even Kallig (hell, Act 1 Nox was > Kallig's spirit) but the combined effort of the spirits was not targeting a few Temple weak points to bring the whole thing down. The spirits were individually trying to break out of their tombs, yes, but again, they weren't pooling their power to target critical junctures. So there's no way to scale Vitiate off of the collection of spirits that resided in the Temple.

Except the Temple is one single container designed to hold that level of power. Nor was it just spirits that it was containing. The spirits are collectively not as powerful as what binds them in there. We know for a fact they were communicating with each other and coordinated the possession of the morons who broke in. That Vitiate overwhelmed that capacity whilst destroying the temple is self-indicative.