Tier 9 Dooku?

lorenzo.r.2nd wrote:Some people know this, but other people dont, so ill just say it first- i think the Gillard scale is not usable in legends whatsoever. Some people will disagree, but i like to keep strong on this.. I used the 'tier 9' above thing as half bait, half self 'explanatory point im trying to make' as to shorten the process.

@O-Siri: I agree.

Ive been thinking about this after I looked a bit more into his feats. This is no 'super new theory' or 'explanation to something that happened' type thread. Its more of a talkative threads. I wants people's opinions as usual. See who agrees and who doest, why or why not. Pretty simple. 

So, I suppose one of the first things people will say is that Dooku could not possibly be that skilled if he stomped by Anakin like that. Good point, albeit not entirely correct. For this to be an effective counter, one would need to say (and prove) that Anakin destroyed Dooku using skill, and nothing more, and THAT is not the case.

@O-Siri: I agree. Dooku is probably more technically refined than Anakin. Anakin overwhelmed him with his explosive style and didn't give Dooku any breathing room to set-up once he was fully fired up and all over him. Anakin at his best isn't a technical fighter, he's a pressure fighter, who relies on sheer tenacity, natural talent, instinct, and relentless aggression.  

Dooku's stamina was low (he did in fact recover some of it, but i doubt it took him back to his peak state), Anakin was far stronger (Dooku was almost dying when trying to defend himself from them), Anakin was faster (covering his field of vision is something not even Yoda could do, if i remember correctly), and Anakin was far more relentless, giving Dooku no ground for a counter of any sort. 

Now that I am done with that, I have Yoda to talk about. I suppose this is simpler than before. Yoda is probably the only person that we know of that ever actually matched Sidious in a fight wherein we are sure that Sidious gave it his all. Mace Windu was surely extremely skilled, and very likely matched Sidious during their fight, but i have found the... idea that Sidious was fighting at his best, at his fullest, to not be well supported. I could be convinced otherwise, of course, but for now, that is where i stand. 

@O-Siri: The explanation that requires the least number of assumptions is that Sidious was going all out. 

Point is: there is a big possibility that Sidious could've kept an even, somewhat lengthy, ongoing duel while he was holding back against Mace Windu. 

BUT against Yoda, he could not. Yoda was not only skilled enough to match Sidious in a duel, he could do so for quite a good amount of time as well. He did in fact win because of superior speed (quite a good feat of speed in fact- making himself instantly twice as fast, without any sort of struggle or or problem, implying he can not only do it more than once per fight, but also that he may use it for longer periods of time) instead of skill, but other portrayals of said fight seem to show Yoda disarming Sidious without any speed boost. 

@O-Siri: Yoda did win the duel in the end but Sidious initially held the advantage, Yoda really had to push himself and dig deep to overcome the odds, where's the same isn't true with Dooku, whom he held a comfortable edge over.

So as of now, we have:

Sidious (while likely holding back)= Mace Windu (in a state wherein he is fighting at his best, possibly ever)

Yoda=> Sidious (trying hard)

The obvious... scaling chain that can be pulled out of this is that Yoda is likely better than Sidious, a Sidious is better than a (likely) holding back Sidious, who could evenly match Mace Windu at his peak without much trouble.

Yoda=> Sidious (going all out)> Sidious (likely not going all out)= Mace Windu (at his peak).

NOW we go to Dooku. I would like to actually to talk about Yoda: Dark Rendezvous instead of Attack of the Clones. In AOTC, there really is no doubt that A) Yoda was beating Dooku while holding back, and B) that Yoda was unsure about fighting Dooku and that he may not have been fighting at his fullest. In Y:DR, that is not the case anymore. Yoda is fully willing to kill Dooku at this point, and to unleash his all against him. This time around, Dooku was not completely out of his league, and held his own better than before, against a Yoda who was fighting in a much more relentless manner than the one in AOTC.

@O-Siri: Yoda was conflicted though. He had to fight against his dark side urges. He outright tells Dooku he doesn't want to hurt him. We know from other sources that this type of conflict hinders one's combative effectiveness, Anakin vs Dooku being the prime example. Once he is resolved to kill Dooku out of Jedi compassion, rather than bloodlust, he was Dooku's comfortable superior again.

Actually Yoda's being enraged played into Dooku's hands in a very similar manner in which Obi-Wan's rage did to Maul "Your rage has unbalanced you! That is not the Jedi way is it?"

He had a clear growth in skill, speed, and strength, supported by this https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11133/111339372/6617426-6503048-0451794804-3sgzl.jpg, as well.

He performed better than Mace Windu did against an opponent more skilled and faster than the one Mace Windu faced. 

Yoda (all out)> Dooku

Yoda (all out)=> Sidious (all out)> Sidious (likely holding back)= Mace Windu (at his best).

can u post a source for that?