Darth Sidious and Darth Plageuis vs Yoda and Mace Windu

All combatants as of The Phantom Menace


Standard rules

Yoda is firmly above either member of team 1 and if we go by accolades, statements, etc. Mace should be close to them. Team 1 wins in sabers, Force could go either way depending on how you view Mace.

TPM Yoda and Windu are both Ventress-tier combatants. We know this because Windu has been pressured by Ventress twice during the Clone Wars, and during TPM he gets many accolades stating he is on par Yoda. One quote also outright states Ventress could give Yoda a little past AotC a great fight. I have no idea why TPM Jedi are rated so highly. The Sith crush them here.

the sith roastes them

This is TPM Mace. The Sith master and apprentice duo win here.

Ngl, I never considered the possibility of just accepting the TPM quotes then lowballing Yoda. We always assumed for some reason that TPM Yoda is similar in power throughout the PT, but if you're going to insist he and Mace are equals, then why not look at Mace, since he is the one of the two with the most feats around that time?

This puts all of the Maul and Jinn accolades in a context that makes a lot more sense as well. New TPM paradigm incoming.

ILS wrote:Ngl, I never considered the possibility of just accepting the TPM quotes then lowballing Yoda. We always assumed for some reason that TPM Yoda is similar in power throughout the PT, but if you're going to insist he and Mace are equals, then why not look at Mace, since he is the one of the two with the most feats around that time?

This puts all of the Maul and Jinn accolades in a context that makes a lot more sense as well. New TPM paradigm incoming.

Explain?

I think he’s trying to say that the Jedi are near qui gon in power during that time. It would also explain why qui gon seems to be so weak in the grand scheme of things. Looking at canon and not gilliard btw

Nice, let's just accept TPM Yoda sucks. He studied the Force for 800 years and only achieved Early-TCW Ventress level, yet bumped up to Sheev tier in like the 15 years between TPM and ROTS. That makes a lot of sense... Seriously though, why don't we just presume the obvious - that Mace's accolades are out of date, and were made before either character really had a chance to demonstrate their skills in a combative context. Moreover, as far as I'm aware the majority of the quotes don't even mention the Force, so presuming they refer to combat is questionable.

NotAA3 wrote:Early-TCW Ventress level

CuckedCurry wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:Early-TCW Ventress level

I'm not the one that argued it.

Team 1

Mace Windu and Yoda were amped by the nexus on Coruscant.

Darth Sidious = or < Yoda
Plageuis >> Windu

Sith Team Wins

Sidious and Plagueis massacre them.