Darth Vader (ROTJ) vs TOR team

Darth Vader vs HoT, Barsen'Thor, Kira Carsen & Lord Scourge.

RULES

All in prime (ROTJ for Vader, act 3 for team 2 - HoT isn't allowed Outlander iteration).

Start 20 metres apart.

Fight to the death. Morals off, all bloodlusted.

Battle takes place in an open field.

Vader.

As much as I like her character I have to say Kira is a non-factor so I'm not sure exactly why she's here. Anyway the HoT solos.

The team

The Hero of Tython could solo. I'd peg him around Vader's level. Add the rest and it's a slaughter.

Team absolutely stomps. Barsen'thor and the HoT are both Vader-level as is.

Vader stomps.

Vader

I'm curious what puts act 3 HoT and Barsen'Thor at ROTJ Vader levels.

BreakofDawn wrote:I'm curious what puts act 3 HoT and Barsen'Thor at ROTJ Vader levels.

There's a laundry list. The Barsen'thor, however, scales massively above a being who telepathically dominated hundreds of Jedi across the galaxy and created the system-wide nexus of Malachor. When I say massively, I mean that the Barsen'thor defeated this man while weakened 5 times over by a shielding ritual, which was said to siphon off significant power after every use. Additionally, the Barsen'thor underwent massive growth after reattaining this temporarily lost power. The Hero of Tython kept mostly in lockstep with the Barsen'thor.

Vader fists

Jokes aside, team hammer.

Team stomps him, the protags are at least his equal individually.

SithArchaeologist wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:I'm curious what puts act 3 HoT and Barsen'Thor at ROTJ Vader levels.

There's a laundry list. The Barsen'thor, however, scales massively above a being who telepathically dominated hundreds of Jedi across the galaxy and created the system-wide nexus of Malachor. When I say massively, I mean that the Barsen'thor defeated this man while weakened 5 times over by a shielding ritual, which was said to siphon off significant power after every use. Additionally, the Barsen'thor underwent massive growth after reattaining this temporarily lost power. The Hero of Tython kept mostly in lockstep with the Barsen'thor.

The problem for me is that Lord Vivicar's raw power doesn't line up with the rest of his feats. Sure he was a very impressive telepath, but he was defeated by the Barsen'Thor when they were at a mere fraction of their full power. Plus, the Force plague was pretty much a ritual, so I don't think it's a clear indicator of his power.

BreakofDawn wrote:

SithArchaeologist wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:I'm curious what puts act 3 HoT and Barsen'Thor at ROTJ Vader levels.

There's a laundry list. The Barsen'thor, however, scales massively above a being who telepathically dominated hundreds of Jedi across the galaxy and created the system-wide nexus of Malachor. When I say massively, I mean that the Barsen'thor defeated this man while weakened 5 times over by a shielding ritual, which was said to siphon off significant power after every use. Additionally, the Barsen'thor underwent massive growth after reattaining this temporarily lost power. The Hero of Tython kept mostly in lockstep with the Barsen'thor.

The problem for me is that Lord Vivicar's raw power doesn't line up with the rest of his feats. Sure he was a very impressive telepath, but he was defeated by the Barsen'Thor when they were at a mere fraction of their full power. Plus, the Force plague was pretty much a ritual, so I don't think it's a clear indicator of his power.

That just scales the Barsen'thor that high. That's the point. And while the plague being a ritual does have some merit, it doesn't change the fact that Morrhage's spirit caused the Dark Side nexus that enveloped the entirety of the Malachor system. THAT is an excellent gauge of raw power for Vivicar.

Vader wins just with mfv scaling

Lol.

In-sidiousvader wrote:Vader wins just with mfv scaling

Vader trolling aside, yeah, that should make him considerably better than Dooku. Not sure about the team, but the idea that a single character can take him on is nonsense at best

SithArcheologist wrote:That just scales the Barsen'thor that high. That's the point. And while the plague being a ritual does have some merit, it doesn't change the fact that Morrhage's spirit caused the Dark Side nexus that enveloped the entirety of the Malachor system. THAT is an excellent gauge of raw power for Vivicar.

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I don't remember the bit about his spirit creating a dark side nexus, let alone one that covered the Malachor system. Last I checked it was only stated he was able to use his powers - e.g. the Force plague - to force the Jedi to submit to his will. Rituals aren't really an indicator of power, and dominating the minds of a few padawans and far from notable Jedi knights/masters doesn't scream of power to me.

BreakofDawn wrote:I don't remember the bit about his spirit creating a dark side nexus, let alone one that covered the Malachor system. Last I checked it was only stated he was able to use his powers - e.g. the Force plague - to force the Jedi to submit to his will. Rituals aren't really an indicator of power, and dominating the minds of a few padawans and far from notable Jedi knights/masters doesn't scream of power to me.

Try hundreds. And just because you don't remember something, doesn't mean it isn't true:

Hero of Tython solos. Adding 2 more characters makes this a near stomp

even though i love sucking that cyber dick, vader loses smh

Vader, honestly.

Team TOR stomps lol. HoT or Barsen'thor should be able to stalemate or win solo

HoT at worst loses in a grueling fight. Adding in the other members of this team makes it a onesided fight in the team's favor.