Darth caedus vs plagueis

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Plagueis, good fight.

DC77 (Reborn) wrote:Reasons for Plagueis stomping?

Praxis wrote:For the people who voted Caedus; why?

Mainly because of his showing against Luke.

The Luke that Caedus fought was way above DE Luke who was able to defeat in a lightsaber fight DE Sidious who is just an insane beast.

Caedus is clearly the superior lightsaber duelist.

Knowing which amount of injury he can sustained,

 his showing against Luke.

• when he managed to shut his Force presence up to the point that Luke and Mara cannot feel him at close range.
  

LotF: Bloodlines wrote:"I think Master Skywalker means the less formal response," said a voice behind Luke. He hadn't even felt Jacen enter the room. The fact that Jacen could startle him was disturbing. Mara turned, too, and even though Jacen was standing there in front of them, Luke couldn't feel him, and-judging by her expression and her little flare of anxiety in the Force-Mara couldn't, either.

LotF: Inferno wrote:He was, in fact, standing in the doorway of a secret cabin filled with Yuuzhan Vong torture devices, watching his twisted nephew taunt his captive son. Luke didn't give Jacen a chance to surrender. He just sprang

LotF: Inferno wrote:Jacen started to spin, snatching his lightsaber from his belt and igniting it in the same motion, bringing the emerald blade around high to protect his heart and head.
But Luke was attacking low, striking for the kidney to disable in the most painful way possible. Jacen's eyes widened. He flipped his lightsaber down in the same moment Luke's met flesh.

LotF: Inferno wrote:He simply completed his pivot and landed a rib-crunching roundhouse

LotF: Inferno wrote:then drew his blade up diagonally where his nephew's chest should have been.

Except Jacen was sliding backward, one hand extended behind him, using the Force to pull himself toward a tendril-draped rack in the far corner of the torture chamber

From then on Jacen only gets by through abusing the environment 

 We know Luke was still emotionally scarred from the death of Mara, and witnessing his sith lord nephew torturing Ben fucked with his ability to use the force. The level of power Luke brought to bear is completely unquantifiable

LotF: Inferno wrote:he had even escaped the garrote before Ben struck. In fact, it was probably that attack that had saved Caedus's life. Nothing else could have shocked Luke out of his battle rage-only the sight of Ben slipping so far to the dark side.

•  Jacen was considered by Luke as a match for him. Clearly this is a good proof of Jacen capacity as a fighter:
  

LotF: Fury wrote:Three YVH droids were left. And Jacen. Against Luke and Ben. Jacen was Luke's match, which meant Ben had to cope with three combat droids. The odds weren't good. Then the odds changed.

• Jacen was able to resist his Stealth-X being completely destroy by Luke thanks TK
  

LotF: Revelation wrote:Luke's StealthX nudged him again from behind-how? Caedus couldn't see. Force push? Something metallic inside the fuselage shrieked. He had a sense of someone rummaging furiously in the drives as if looking for a dropped hydrospanner, throwing fragments into the coils. He's ripping the thing apart... 
Caedus tried to block Luke in the Force and suddenly got an idea of just how much power Luke could muster. His seat shot forward, sheared off the runners, tipped to one side, and he hit the console at an angle before he could buffer the collision with the Force. Something cracked in his chest. Pain flared, stopping his breathing. Then he was aware of brilliant white light coming right at him. In the moments before he managed to veer off to starboard, al-most blinded, he got a glimpse of a StealthX's uneven out-line with two grappling arms extended, and the sense of a Jedi other than Luke.
He was holding the fighter steady as much by the Force as by its controls, and trying to slow it with the Force as well, because the braking burn wasn't enough. He had to drop into that slot just right or he'd take the section out with him.

Plagueis's pain tolerance isn't exactly bad either, for reference see his performance against the Maladians.

EmperorCaedus wrote:Caedus.

Seturna wrote:

EmperorCaedus wrote:Caedus.

Reason?

Also, scaling above Kyp's environmental feats, notably the Dovin Basal singularity.

Me+Caedus vs you+Plagueis =

This wasn't only based on his confrontation of Luke. There is other good showings for Caedus. For example:

when he managed to shut his Force presence up to the point that Luke and Mara cannot feel him at close range.

Then, for the fight, yes Luke absolutely dominate Caedus. Nonetheless, Just keep in the mind that Luke was the first to engage the fight:

The only fact that Jacen managed not only to survived, despite not knowing where Luke will strike when spinning at first

And after this managed to land a hit on Luke

After being violently attacked by Luke, he still managed to dodge one of Luke lethal strike

Just this single part of the fight itself show that Jacen is an insanely good duelist, particularly knowing how good is Luke at this time.

Well, being able to use your environnement during a fight o threw object at your opponent is something that nearly any combattant can do. Both Luke and Jacen know the existence of the rack. Both could have use it. Jacen was the first to do this. And clearly, except if you think that ae fight occured in a indestructible environnement, there is always a possibility for a fighter to use some object on the environnement to throw at his ennemy.

Definitively not true... We know that At the start of the fight (the only part on which I rely) Luke was in a battle rage. So clearly not hindered by anything (certainly the opposite to be realist)

Jacen was considered by Luke as a match for him. Clearly this is a good proof of Jacen capacity as a fighter:

Jacen was able to resist his Stealth-X being completely destroy by Luke thanks TK

All of this (plus the scaling of Luke from Sidious) is for me the proof that Caedus isn't in Plagueis ragdoll range.

True, but the difference is that when at close range, each blow of Jacen that will hit Plagueis will hindered the Muun Sith Lord. In opposition, to defeat Jacen, you need to deal damage that will disable him or kill him, every other damaged won't stop Caedus.