Darth Vader vs Darth Nihilus (sabers only)

HellfireUnit wrote:Horribly mismatched.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

HellfireUnit wrote:Horribly mismatched.

"The thing is, in IV, V, and VI, you didn’t really get to see real Jedi in action. To me, that was something that a lot of people would want to see. And of course, the other part is, where are the Jedi at this point? What are they? We’ve never seen one, really, except for Obi-Wan. I wanted to come up with an apprentice for the Emperor who was striking and tough. We hadn’t seen a Sith Lord before, except for Vader, of course." (2019)

“In this rendition, Vader was half-man, half-machine, and Obi-Wan was pretty much an old man, so this fight was a hard one for them. It wasn’t an acrobatic, jump-around, fast fight. It was a hard fight to fight, because they’re both kind of old Jedi.” (2004)

"We have never seen real Jedis at work. We have only seen old men, or crippled half-droid, half-men, and young boys who have learned from them. So, seeing a Jedi fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I wanted it to be a much more energetic and faster version." (1999)

SithSauce wrote:As much as I admire Lucas, his explanation is dumb af. Can't he just accept that he didn't have the time or resources to craft well choreographed duels back then, instead of coming up with dumb in universe explanations that just boils down to "Vader and Ben are old men, so they can't fight". And gotta love how he say's we see real jedi in their prime in the PT, considering most of them are presented as fodder except for the main/important ones.

Deronn_Solo wrote:Vader stomps.

Shioz wrote:

Deronn_Solo wrote:Vader stomps.

DarthAnt66 wrote:(Just wanted to note that I don't think Vader is beneath generic PT Jedi for those that couldn't tell, lol. I don't think Lucas does either.)

BreakofDawn wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:(Just wanted to note that I don't think Vader is beneath generic PT Jedi for those that couldn't tell, lol. I don't think Lucas does either.)

Honestly, with the way the advertising goes he'd say it just to get people to see those films. His quotes always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:(Just wanted to note that I don't think Vader is beneath generic PT Jedi for those that couldn't tell, lol. I don't think Lucas does either.)

Honestly, with the way the advertising goes he'd say it just to get people to see those films. His quotes always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

@BreakofDawn: Well, I definitely don't agree with you there. Not only is Lucas' word nigh-absolute under LFL policy and Leland Chee's Holocron database, but his word can literally retcon entire swaths EU material instantly. If, for example, Lucas said Vader never used X Force ability, then three EU books show Vader with X Force ability, those instances are non-canon. Or, if Lucas says Vader is weaker than character X, then fifty sourcebooks say Vader is stronger than X, Lucas' quote takes priority.

To my knowledge, Star Wars is the only universe that puts such word-of-god emphasis to its creator, but it is what it is.

DarthAnt66 wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:(Just wanted to note that I don't think Vader is beneath generic PT Jedi for those that couldn't tell, lol. I don't think Lucas does either.)

Honestly, with the way the advertising goes he'd say it just to get people to see those films. His quotes always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

@BreakofDawn: Well, I definitely don't agree with you there. Not only is Lucas' word nigh-absolute under LFL policy and Leland Chee's Holocron database, but his word can literally retcon entire swaths EU material instantly. If, for example, Lucas said Vader never used X Force ability, then three EU books show Vader with X Force ability, those instances are non-canon. Or, if Lucas says Vader is weaker than character X, then fifty sourcebooks say Vader is stronger than X, Lucas' quote takes priority.

To my knowledge, Star Wars is the only universe that puts such word-of-god emphasis to its creator, but it is what it is.

SithSauce wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:

DarthAnt66 wrote:(Just wanted to note that I don't think Vader is beneath generic PT Jedi for those that couldn't tell, lol. I don't think Lucas does either.)

Honestly, with the way the advertising goes he'd say it just to get people to see those films. His quotes always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

@BreakofDawn: Well, I definitely don't agree with you there. Not only is Lucas' word nigh-absolute under LFL policy and Leland Chee's Holocron database, but his word can literally retcon entire swaths EU material instantly. If, for example, Lucas said Vader never used X Force ability, then three EU books show Vader with X Force ability, those instances are non-canon. Or, if Lucas says Vader is weaker than character X, then fifty sourcebooks say Vader is stronger than X, Lucas' quote takes priority.

To my knowledge, Star Wars is the only universe that puts such word-of-god emphasis to its creator, but it is what it is.

But lets say if there was a scenario where Lucas say's "the Old Republic is trash, and Revan,Malak, Vitiate don't exist in my universe"
What would we do then?