Darth Venamis vs. Darth Maul

mastercilghal wrote:With tpm Maul it could go either ways, TCW Maul wins imo

Azronger wrote:
Why be that?

mastercilghal wrote:@Azronger Venamis wasn’t really a match for Plagueis, at least not after the latter started to get serious. Tpm Maul was blitzed by a Sidious who should be a bit more powerful than that version of Plagueis.

ArkhamAsylum3 wrote:Maul. All Venamis really has is a contextual fight with Plagueis whereas Maul has actual feats.

xolthol wrote:It mainly depend on how you rank Maul in comparison to early Plagueis. To my point: Venamis win.

LOTL wrote:At that point, Plagueis is considerably below Tenebrous obviously. There is no way to exactly gauge how high the gap between them is, so TPM Sidious could be much much better than Venamis or he could be considerably better but not enough to stomp him. Basically we can't compare TPM Maul because the parameters are too ambiguous

Unless Az has a method to compare 52 BBY Palpatine to that version of Plagueis, because TPM Maul should be superior to that version of Palpatine

TCW Maul beats him though, based on his battle against Sidious, even though it was a stomp, Maul still managed to hold on for some amount of time( like Anakin enraged vs Count Dooku)

LOTL wrote:No, in that case Maul beats him. Both versions

Maul has had to endure the harshest training and is labelled the most highly trained Sith in history. That and his potential being Sidious level( and that he too trained for two decades puts him as the likely contender to win), holistically speaking.

There is no other way to compare them. Maul beats him by a country mile in terms of feats and comparisons involving Sidious and Plagueis are loose and ambiguous

Meatpants wrote:@Kilius

I believe Venamis was looking for an apprentice because Tenebrous had died. I may not remember correctly though.

Kilius wrote:For both say Venamis.

People say Darth Plagueis was pre-prime which was true but forget that this the same Plagueis that had already gone through his first powergrowth from his master's death and the same version that performed his Canted Circle feats - while critically injured and near death no less. Venamis was evidentially powerful and skillful enough not to get telekentically dominated by a fresher version of the same Plagueis that "all but atomized" 12 armored maladians in one sustained Force wave while in critical condititon.

Plagueis was impressed with his skills such as levitating in mid-air after the branch he was standing on was severed - "no mean feat in it of itself" according to Plagueis.

Another thing is to consider is Venamis's potential. Sith apprentices are chosen for their potential to surpass their masters. Venamis was a firm beliver in the old Bane tradition, meaning he would have challenged his master in a fair duel when the time was right. When Zannah realized she had surpassed Bane she started looking for a new apprentice. We know from later in the book that Venamis was secretly looking for new apprentices. This is a good indication Venamis was already close to his peak and prepering to challenge Tenebrous for the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. Venamis being equal or at least near equal to Tenebrous therefore may not be that much of a stretch to sudgest.