Ben Kenobi & Luke Skywalker vs Darth Revan & Darth Malak

Sam wrote:

NotAA3 wrote:Why isn't the Spanish quote valid? Regardless of Force power Kenobi has proven he is more than able to contend with the Vader:

-He is clearly faster. Vader believes if he looks away for a single instant Kenobi will strike him down and has to give him his full undivided attention. In total contrast, Kenobi looks away at Luke mid-fight and is quick enough to respond to Vader's strike without getting killed.

Like I said the quote exists primarily to explain why Vader couldn't just use his force powers to defeat Kenobi in ANH. Even though we have many instances in Star Wars where force users could have used the force on their opponents, but never did so. For example,  Anakin is much more powerful than Dooku, yet we never saw him use any force powers to defeat him. Anakin and Obi Wan are obviously >>>> Magnaguards, yet we never saw them use force powers to kill them. The quote is just outdated as hell.

LOTL wrote:

BreakofDawn wrote:Luke as the weak link? Huh? He's a fair bit more powerful than Ben at this point and also a fair bit more skilled along with having better physicals. If anything, Ben is the weak link.

OT: If they keep it to sabers, team 1. If the Force comes into play, both of team 1 can push team 2 but Ben will go down, and Luke can't beat them both.

Luke clearly says that he was inferior to or similar to Ben and Yoda in his ROTJ incarnation

"You sense only a part of the Force, Darth," Kenobi murmured with the assurance of one to whom death is merely another sensation, like sleeping or making love or touching a candle. "As always, you perceive its reality as little as a utensil perceives the taste of food." Executing a move of incredible swiftness for one so old, Kenobi lunged at the massive shape. Vader blocked the stab with equal speed, riposting with a counterslash that Kenobi barely parried. Another parry and Kenobi countered again, using this opportunity to move around the towering Dark Lord. They continued to trade blows, with the old man now backing toward the hangar. Once, his saber and Vader's locked, the interaction of the two energy fields producing a violent sparking and flashing. A low buzzing sound rose from the straining power units as each saber sought to override the other.
Kenobi heard the approaching commotion and spared a glance back into the hangar. The squad of troopers bearing down on him was enough to show that he was trapped. Vader took immediate advantage of the momentary distraction to bring his saber over and down. Kenobi somehow managed to deflect the sweeping blow, at once parrying and turning a complete circle. "You still have your skill, but your power fades. Prepare to meet the Force, Obi-Wan."

Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. "This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words." "Your philosophies no longer confuse me, old man," Vader growled contemptuously. "I am the master now." Once again he lunged forward, feinting, and then slashing in a deadly downward arc with the saber. It struck home, cutting the old man cleanly in half. There was a brief flash as Kenobi's cloak fluttered to the deck in two neat sections.

NotAA3 wrote:-He is clearly faster. Vader believes if he looks away for a single instant Kenobi will strike him down and has to give him his full undivided attention. In total contrast, Kenobi looks away at Luke mid-fight and is quick enough to respond to Vader's strike without getting killed.

Executing a move of incredible swiftness for one so old, Kenobi lunged at the massive shape. Vader blocked the stab with equal speed, riposting with a counterslash that Kenobi barely parried. Another parry and Kenobi countered again, using this opportunity to move around the towering Dark Lord.

Sorry to jump in, but the "Kenobi being faster than Vader" argument is incorrect. There's a similar case of this in the novel itself, where Vader is depicted as moving faster:

Ben lashes out with surprising speed, Vader matches it, then nearly kills him with a single slash so fast that Ben barely parries it. Ben is forced to go on the defensive nearly the entire fight.

The "Kenobi being able to strike him down" quote is also taken out of context. IIRC, it's made near the beginning of the fight when Vader hasn't been able to properly assess Ben's power level/skill properly, and it's also highly likely that it's a result of his psychological fear/hatred of Kenobi. He remembers Ben doing the same thing to a more powerful iteration of him and doesn't want to risk the possibility of it happening again. That neither means that Ben can or can't do it, but using Vader's single quote for that as a reference fails to take into account other factors that may contribute to this.